ZERO%: New bill to ban drunk driving

ToxicBunny said:
I am aware its irresponsible... its more a hypothetical thing...

I am very much against drinking and driving over the limit. I currently enjoy going to the pub once or twice a week and having 2 drinks then going home.... This legislation, if its passed, will kill that instantly.. so how much tax will the government lose due to the local pubs all closing, and bigger pubs seeing reduced business.
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I understood your point, my argument is more in line with other people having that idea which is highly likely and a danger to others.

To argue this point in court:

http://www.legalcity.net/Index.cfm?fuseaction=RIGHTS.article&ArticleID=8021487

Court procedure

In a case of driving under the influence of liquor, the state must prove that the accused drove a vehicle on a public road while under the influence, or while the alcohol content of the accused's blood exceeded 0,08g per 100ml.

When these elements have been established, a court will consider, in imposing sentence, the degree to which a motorist was under the influence of liquor, the extent to which his or her ability to drive was affected, traffic conditions at the relevant time, the type of vehicle being driven and the actual harm or danger caused by his or her driving. It will also consider the time and place of the offence, and whether the accused is a first offender.

Evidence against the accused may be given by the police, the examining doctor or any person who, at the time of the alleged offence, thought the accused was under the influence.

The opinions expressed in court must be qualified by reasons. For instance, the statement 'I believe he was under the influence' is not acceptable evidence, unless it is followed by an observation such as 'because he smelt strongly of liquor and his speech was slurred'.

In determining a sentence for driving with excessive alcohol in the blood, a court will consider the manner of the accused's driving at the time of the offence. Driving slowly and with exaggerated caution may be a characteristic of inebriation as erratic or reckless driving is. Imprisonment without the option of a fine is not usually imposed on a first offender, except in serious cases, such as when the accused was heavily under the influence or guilty of recklessness or gross negligence.
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The current legal limit is a breath alcohol content of 0.24mg per 1,000ml, or a blood alcohol limit of 0.05g per 100ml.

I don't know how they will be even able to control these cases, here in the Western Cape these cases are thrown out like it's nothing and then screw a person over which was caught on the same day, time and place. I also cannot see how they push people into prison (higher sentencing), because they can’t due to the economics involved with our prisons current state.

Simple amendment to make, like you previously stated, the current limit is acceptable but it needs to be properly controlled and processed.

I actually expected this to be a Western Cape bylaw. :whistle:
 
CL-West said:
How available is Uber? I know it is available in Cape town, but I don't live in the city but in the northern suburbs.
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Move to a major city. Living out in the sticks has it's downside
 
Jladan said:
Uber, or any of the other tons of taxi or drive you home services. If you don't use these all you are saying is you value others lives less than the few bucks it costs to get home safely.

I do however agree this is a stupid idea. Just enforce the existing law properly and most of this issue will go away
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Discovered Uber this past December and it works brilliantly in the northern suburbs can't comment about the rest of Gauteng. No need to be drinking and driving...
 
ToxicBunny said:
I am aware its irresponsible... its more a hypothetical thing...

I am very much against drinking and driving over the limit. I currently enjoy going to the pub once or twice a week and having 2 drinks then going home.... This legislation, if its passed, will kill that instantly.. so how much tax will the government lose due to the local pubs all closing, and bigger pubs seeing reduced business.
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Doesn't really matter. Just because there is a financial cost, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
People can use public transport or go to jail
 
JStrike said:
Doesn't really matter. Just because there is a financial cost, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
People can use public transport or go to jail
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So because I have to take medication I now can't drive?
 
JStrike said:
Support this.
Uber or jail
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Spot the resident MyBB puritan...

You seriously think this is a good idea? :wtf:

Having one beer or two is fine. You do know the major problem is enforcement?

And maybe some people don't want to pay Uber 'surge' rates...
 
Sinbad said:
If the medication says "don't operate heavy machinery", you probably shouldn't drive, as cars are pretty heavy :D
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The problem is that some perfectly safe, over-the-counter, meds have the potential to now get you locked up...
 
Chris said:
Spot the resident MyBB puritan...

You seriously think this is a good idea? :wtf:

Having one beer or two is fine. You do know the major problem is enforcement?

And maybe some people don't want to pay Uber 'surge' rates...
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It is ridiculous that people can take a drug like alcohol and then drive.
If someone wants to drink, use public transport.
Don't want to pay Uber's surge rates? Then don't drink
Simple
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
The problem is that some perfectly safe, over-the-counter, meds have the potential to now get you locked up...
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Realistically, not really, as the existing laws are enforced so ineffectively already.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
More idiotic laws designed to exploit the innocent rather than apprehend the guilty.

Just leave it as is and enforce it properly...
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This. How will they test whether this is successful or not if they don't have a proper, and by proper I mean enforced properly, baseline to compare it to?

More knee jerk laws.
 
Lowering of alcohol limits is done to favour the corrupt police syndicate system. :)

I know in Gauteng (Soweto, Melville, Sandton, Rosebank, Fourways) corrupt Police target car drivers who are driving home from a night out. They strategically place roadblocks early hours of the morning at major exits. % limit means these cops will gain more from bribes. I know a friend who paid R3000 to avoid jail from just 4 beers.

The ones who patrol N1 highway are targeting expensive looking cars hoping to make money from drivers had a few drinks.
 
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dlk001 said:
Lowering of alcohol limits is done to favour the corrupt police syndicate system. :)

I know in Gauteng (Soweto, Melville, Sandton, Rosebank, Fourways) corrupt Police target car drivers who are driving home from a night out. They strategically place roadblocks early hours of the morning at major exits.

The ones who patrol N1 highway are targeting expensive looking cars hoping to make money from drivers had a few drinks.
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If they are drinking and driving, then they can suffer.
That the police are targeting wealthier people is a completely separate issue
 
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