"Zille violated Constitution", Public Protector

3WA said:
Read it in the context of Gasa’s tweet.
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Sure, for once, I don't agree with Redi Thlabi - he didn't "amass" resources from the government. He just utilized it for benefit of community. From my reading on this topic, only benefit he got was a good name out of that particular project. Law will decide if that is a gratification.
 
Sinbad said:
To me this is pretty much a technicality. We should apply the same logic to this as we would to any other breach of the law to determine culpability.
Was there mens rea? Was there harm? etc?

To equate this instance to the large scale looting that has characterised other breaches of the same act is disingenuous at best.
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I agree it is a technicality the PP got a complaint she invetigated it, she made her findings known. The PP found Helen to be in contrivention of the ethics code (citaion needed), I am curious to see if the High Court up holds it.
 
"So section 136(2) of the Constitution requires the premier not to expose herself to any situation involving the risk of a conflict between her official responsibilities and her private interests. So in this instance she violated the Constitution, especially the Executive Members Ethics Act," said the Public Protector on Wednesday.
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What private interests did she serve by helping her son provide a public service without any apparent material benefit?
 
surface said:
Sure, for once, I don't agree with Redi Thlabi - he didn't "amass" resources from the government. He just utilized it for benefit of community. From my reading on this topic, only benefit he got was a good name out of that particular project. Law will decide if that is a gratification.
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I doubt Zille and son have anything to fear from judicial review. Lord knows Zille doesn’t get it wrong on things like this, which is the real reason Black Twitter hates her.
 
3WA said:
I doubt Zille and son have anything to fear from judicial review. Lord knows Zille doesn’t get it wrong on things like this, which is the real reason Black Twitter hates her.
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you don't have to get flying sphagetti monster into this. She is aware of everything but she prefers no publicity - i will have you know.
 
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EADC said:
I agree it is a technicality the PP got a complaint she invetigated it, she made her findings known. The PP found Helen to be in contrivention of the ethics code (citaion needed), I am curious to see if the High Court up holds it.
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Not even a technicality if you ask me.

The PP is going to get a tongue lashing from a judge again...
 
How dare Helen spoil the education system's attempt to make future young Zumas by making elenty six tablets available! In fact this is DA sponsored capture, her son even paid for his own petrol!
 
R13... said:
What private interests did she serve by helping her son provide a public service without any apparent material benefit?
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"So section 136(2) of the Constitution requires the premier not to expose herself to any situation involving the risk of a conflict between her official responsibilities and her private interests.
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How does it sound if you read all of it, especially the expose herself to part? Does it not mean the question of benefit or interest should not even arise?
 
thechamp said:
How does it sound if you read all of it, especially the expose herself to part? Does it not mean the question of benefit or interest should not even arise?
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That is how I read it as well.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Not even a technicality if you ask me.

The PP is going to get a tongue lashing from a judge again...
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Looking at this more closely I am starting to have doubts that it will be just a walk in the park for Zille, it looks a little bit complicated as it is being discussed.
 
thechamp said:
How does it sound if you read all of it, especially the expose herself to part? Does it not mean the question of benefit or interest should not even arise?
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ask yourself what did she get (benefit) from her action?

for some eff idiots said, "gratification is the benefit", any person can say something like that he / she must be in the psychiatric hospital now, obviously he / she is insane.
 
Now this is a surprise:

Angie Motshekga backs Helen Zille on Mkhwebane’s findings

Basic education minister Angie Motshekga says she is disappointed and “surprised” by public protector Busisiwe Mkhwebane’s findings against Western Cape premier Helen Zille.
Motshekga’s open support of Zille is almost unheard of in South African political life — where the opposition and ruling party are often openly antagonist towards each other.
Mkhwebane said on Wednesday that Zille, the former leader of the DA, was guilty of a “conflict of interest” because she facilitated the loan of tablets for her son’s extra maths teaching in disadvantaged Western Cape schools.
“How can you say it’s a conflict of interest when it’s in the public interest?” Motshekga told Business Day on Thursday.
“My fear is that … children of politicians will now be barred from doing community work. I feel that this is about picking on Zille’s child because he is the son of a politician … This cannot be fair.”
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thechamp said:
Looking at this more closely I am starting to have doubts that it will be just a walk in the park for Zille, it looks a little bit complicated as it is being discussed.
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Even looking at it closely... this will be a walk in the park...

Of the two, Helen or the PP... I know who my money is on in terms of actually understanding the law and its application.
 
EADC said:
I agree it is a technicality the PP got a complaint she invetigated it, she made her findings known. The PP found Helen to be in contrivention of the ethics code (citaion needed), I am curious to see if the High Court up holds it.
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The PP does not have a good track record when her ass gets hauled into court...

I would like to see this go to court regardless of the outcome.
 
thechamp said:
How does it sound if you read all of it, especially the expose herself to part? Does it not mean the question of benefit or interest should not even arise?
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Point is that it doesn't look like you can separate the private interest from the rest. Yes, she exposed herself to potential conflict, but was it in her private interest even while she took care to write a letter that the same opportunity be extended to anyone else who might want to use the tablets?

You could argue that her ministers might have thought it'd please her to help the boss's son but it is still not private interest. Take the case where Zuma's 25 year old daughter got that chief of staff job. The minister there could have offered his daughter the job to curry favour with Zuma (in the absence of evidence that Zuma didn't just call him up and tell him to hire her). I wonder whatever happened to that case as it too was reported to Thuli.
 
ponder said:
The PP does not have a good track record when her ass gets hauled into court...

I would like to see this go to court regardless of the outcome.
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We will have to wait and see.
 
EADC said:
We will have to wait and see.
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Agreed but I would rather our PP stopped wasting what little budget exists for the office on frivolous bollocks like this.

I honestly think a judge (if the PP loses this one) should not just order her to personally pay the costs of the court case, but also all the costs of the investigation as well in her personal capacity.
 
My problem is D -oos Dugmore.
What a "tjankgat" and spiteful POS. (Not point of sale)
Seems like someone sucked his lollipop instead of his .... and this has upset him.

I recall that Zille protected him by taking him into her home when the Security Cops were after him.
 
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