Zuma gunning for the constitution

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President Jacob Zuma yesterday called on ANC supporters to ensure that his party wins over two-thirds of the vote in the forthcoming general election, saying this would enable him to change the constitution.

Speaking to hundreds of supporters in KaNyamazane, near Nelspruit, as part of the ANC's 102nd birthday celebrations, Zuma made it clear that he wanted to change the constitution - without specifying the changes.

"We want a huge majority this time because we want to change certain things that couldn't be changed with a small majority so that we move forward because there are certain hurdles. People talk about a constitution they have never seen. We saw that constitution," he said.

Zuma was not immediately available to explain his remarks after his speech.

When ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu was approached for clarity, he said: "I'm not the one who was making the speech. Ask him. It is unfair to us for you to ask us to decode someone else's speech."

Presidency spokesman Mac Maharaj referred all queries to the ANC.

Zuma's remarks are likely to spark controversy, especially in opposition circles in which , for a number of years, there have been suspicions that certain ANC leaders were not happy with some of the civil liberties guaranteed by the constitution and were frustrated by the power it gave the judiciary over the executive.

But political analyst Steven Friedman described talk of constitutional amendments as a "red-herring", saying it made a "fair amount of political sense but won't come to anything".

Friedman said there was little that could be changed in the constitution, and that the ANC had emerged from the 2004 general election with a two-thirds majority but had made no constitutional amendments.
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Is it simply Zuma being an idiot again, or do you think that he could try some serious changes? So far I would say that most of the constitutional changes have been good, but Zuma isn't the best leader we have had.
 
I said this before in previous posts and will say it again.

Last year the ANC hinted in the media on the Chinese government where you have long term leadership, which they said is good for a country.

Zuma knows that the moment he steps down as president, criminal charges will be brought against him.

I think I know what changes will be brought to the constitution, but also want to add that even if they do not get the 2/3 majority, the changes will be made in any event, even if it means the scraping of the constitution.

I still think we are looking at our very own first dictator.
 
When ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu was approached for clarity, he said: "I'm not the one who was making the speech. Ask him. It is unfair to us for you to ask us to decode someone else's speech."

Presidency spokesman Mac Maharaj referred all queries to the ANC.
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Awesome when your own party and spokesperson can't 'decode' your rambling. :wtf:
 
House said:
I said this before in previous posts and will say it again.

Last year the ANC hinted in the media on the Chinese government where you have long term leadership, which they said is good for a country.

Zuma knows that the moment he steps down as president, criminal charges will be brought against him.

I think I know what changes will be brought to the constitution, but also want to add that even if they do not get the 2/3 majority, the changes will be made in any event, even if it means the scraping of the constitution.

I still think we are looking at our very own first dictator.
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I have to agree with House on this one. And judging on what happened with the Potch re-elections - they will use every dirty trick in the book to get it. Vote buying, rigged ballots, contesting every ward they lose, the works. I think its high time we petition the White House to send a electoral observer team.
 
There is very very little difference between Zuma and Malema, in fact Malema's mouth just opens quicker but both have the same way of thinking IMO.

In fact my new name for Zuma is now Zumlema
 
copacetic said:
Awesome when your own party and spokesperson can't 'decode' your rambling. :wtf:
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If that is not a sign of party problems, I don't know what is.

House said:
I said this before in previous posts and will say it again.

Last year the ANC hinted in the media on the Chinese government where you have long term leadership, which they said is good for a country.

Zuma knows that the moment he steps down as president, criminal charges will be brought against him.

I think I know what changes will be brought to the constitution, but also want to add that even if they do not get the 2/3 majority, the changes will be made in any event, even if it means the scraping of the constitution.

I still think we are looking at our very own first dictator.
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Putting parliament back on top of the judiciary? Or do you think that he would bold enough to try a full presidential system, without term limits?
 
People talk about a constitution they have never seen. We saw that constitution
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WTF.

And Zuma wants to be president forever... that is his goal.
 
A guy with grade 4 highest education made president
Same guy washes Aids viruses off in shower.
He has a flock of wives being fed McDonalds by the tax payer.
Folk make paintings of his penis hanging out.
The same guy wants to manipulate the constitution?
 
So essentially what he's actually telling the people is that the ANC wants to do so 'much more' for the people [themselves] but that their hands are tied by the constitution and in order for them to give the people what they want they have to get the majority so that they can change the constitution so the people can get what they want.

Good strategy, shift the blame to 'those' who drew-up the constitution and blame their total incompetence on being 'hurdled' by the constitution.
 
TelkomUseless said:
WTF.

And Zuma wants to be president forever... that is his goal.
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I can almost guarantee that. The ANC sees this election as its last chance at power.

MKFrost said:
Good strategy, shift the blame to 'those' who drew-up the constitution and blame their total incompetence on being 'hurdled' by the constitution.
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You mean like this guy on the right who was one of the ANC's representatives at CODESA?

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People talk about a constitution they have never seen. We saw that constitution," he said.
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What Captain Nkandla fails to understand, is that the Constitution belongs to the citizens.

When ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu was approached for clarity, he said: "I'm not the one who was making the speech. Ask him. It is unfair to us for you to ask us to decode someone else's speech."
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And your job is ..... ???

Presidency spokesman Mac Maharaj referred all queries to the ANC.
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Try to keep up Mac. The ANC said they have no clue what Zuma meant.
 
Scraping the constitution??? House, for someone who apparently deals with legal stuff regularly you can make some monumentally stupid claims. They can't scrap the constitution with 2/3rds majority... They can only changes parts of it... They would need 75% to scrap it completely and start again
 
ToxicBunny said:
Scraping the constitution??? House, for someone who apparently deals with legal stuff regularly you can make some monumentally stupid claims. They can't scrap the constitution with 2/3rds majority... They can only changes parts of it... They would need 75% to scrap it completely and start again
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It will never ever ever happen. The Constitution will never be completely scrapped. Never.
 
Mandela is dead, now the dick-tator can do what he pleases
 
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