2007/2008 WI tour to SA thread

[Beancounter]

Peter Bacela? He was another overenthusiastic cake, shouting for everything, he's got the energy but he should really give up commentary, I used to laugh at him more than listen to what he had to say.

Have to agree. With the noted exception of Neil Manthorp I find most of our local commentators on the radio absolutely hopeless. Repetitive, cliche ridden and (it appears at least, although I am sure it can't be the case) clueless about the game.

TV (MNet only) is much better.

 

[sand_man]

From Mr TB's first link:


Sorry, mickey, but I disagree. If an umpire performs poorly, and makes a number of [-]poor[/-] wrong decisions, then he has to go. This is not about liking/disliking anyone, this is about someone who wasn't able to do his job.

Agreed... The day is coming when technology will be consulted before making a decision. The sooner the better. I would like to see the umpires on the field with high quality hand held lcd's where they as well as the 3rd umpire can review footage on lbws, run outs, no ball and caught behind decisions...

 

[mccrack]

So apparently the appeal sysyem is going to be implemented, whereby the fielding captain can challenge an umpires decision 3 times an innings.

EDIT: Above is not being implemented by the ICC.

I would however like too see a system where the 3rd umpire can overrule a bad decision as well without the appeal being invoked.

I guess it's a step forward though.

 

[chiskop]

So apparently the appeal sysyem is going to be implemented, whereby the fielding captain can challenge an umpires decision 3 times an innings.

I would however like too see a system where the 3rd umpire can overrule a bad decision as well without the appeal being invoked.

I guess it's a step forward though.

Where'd you see this?

I like the first idea (captain's challenge), though restricting to the fielding captain solves less than half the problem. I'm not against the 3rd umpire overruling the on-field umpires, though I'm not sure how it'ld work in practise. That 3rd umpire would have to be pretty snappy to get his challenge in before the next ball.

 

[mccrack]

Where'd you see this?

I like the first idea (captain's challenge), though restricting to the fielding captain solves less than half the problem. I'm not against the 3rd umpire overruling the on-field umpires, though I'm not sure how it'ld work in practise. That 3rd umpire would have to be pretty snappy to get his challenge in before the next ball.

My apologies,

I was following another thread and thought this was being implemented but it was a actually the trials of the pink ball in England...

Still, the idea is being bounced around and i think it's time the ICC embraced it. Incorrect decisions end careers and can cost entire series.

How long does a video replay take ? Less than a minute or 2? I dont see this being time consuming if there is a limit to the amount of appeals.

"That 3rd umpire would have to be pretty snappy to get his challenge in before the next ball"

Given that the batsmen was probably given out it would be a good few minutes before the next ball would be bowled.


How about giving the fielding captain an unlimited amount of decision appeals but if the umpire's decision is upheld the field team get's penalised X amount of runs,
that should be enough for them to appeal decisions responsibly.

 

[chiskop]

I think that the idea of giving captain's the right to challenge/appeal decisions is a good one - I just think it would probably be more valuable for the batting captain. And yeah, there probably needs to be a limit on the number of challenges or a penalty for unsuccessful appeals.

But I think we're just dreaming. If the ICC were reluctant to suspend Bucknor after this test, they obviously don't think its as much of a problem as we do.

 

[mccrack]

I think that the idea of giving captain's the right to challenge/appeal decisions is a good one - I just think it would probably be more valuable for the batting captain. And yeah, there probably needs to be a limit on the number of challenges or a penalty for unsuccessful appeals.

But I think we're just dreaming. If the ICC were reluctant to suspend Bucknor after this test, they obviously don't think its as much of a problem as we do.

Double edged sword isnt it?

On the one hand apparently he's had a string of bad decisions over the last 2 years and probably should not be on the Elite Panel.

On the other hand can any country now threaten to boycott a tour if they dont like the umpires assigned.

 

[chiskop]

On the one hand apparently he's had a string of bad decisions over the last 2 years and probably should not be on the Elite Panel.

On the other hand can any country now threaten to boycott a tour if they dont like the umpires assigned.

Nice article about this in the Grauniad.

 

[JK8]

Double edged sword isnt it?

On the one hand apparently he's had a string of bad decisions over the last 2 years and probably should not be on the Elite Panel.

On the other hand can any country now threaten to boycott a tour if they dont like the umpires assigned.

Looks like it. What will the ICC do? Ban India from playing international games lol!!

Who here knows how much umpires earn?

 

[Soulsnatcher]

Remember that whole fiasco regarding Darrel Hair? He wanted $500,000 to retire... So i would imagine they earn anything between that and less over a 2 yr period.

On cricket, It is about BLODDY time Smith came good!!! Did you guys see the shocking stat of his avg over the last 2yrs? Only 32!!! Shocking for a player of his class...

I was so happy and excited when Mckenzie got picked. I am now so sorry about his injury and also that he didn't grap the opportunity to score some BIG runs as I know he can. He'll probably be replaced by gibbs who everyone knows only scores when his place in the team is under threat... Expect him to scvore a hundred at durban leaving Mckenzie again to be forgotten in the halls of almost-beens in SA cricket

 

[JK8]

Lol the Smithy debacle again.

Its only one innings. He and AB pulled of that brave start, but with Smithy brave is often foolish!!

As for umpires on the ICC panel, they get $30 000 an ODI!!!! And upto $40 000 a day for a 5day test even if the game doesnt last 5 days. Then you add free accomodation and free food!! Lucky buggers.

 

[mccrack]

Nice article about this in the Grauniad.

Yep, sums it up nicely ...

India carry too much power, yes they are the financial house of cricket but they shouldnt be able to bully the governing body like they have.

Edit: Reminds me of a certain other country and the UN

 

[chiskop]

India carry too much power, yes they are the financial house of cricket but they shouldnt be able to bully the governing body like they have.

Well, for sure. But poor umpires shouldn't be protected to the extent theat thy have been by the ICC. I'm not happy about India's tactic of threatening to call off the tour, but I am sympathetic to their complaints about the umpires.

 

[sand_man]

Well, for sure. But poor umpires shouldn't be protected to the extent theat thy have been by the ICC. I'm not happy about India's tactic of threatening to call off the tour, but I am sympathetic to their complaints about the umpires.

Agreed, it's high time the umpires become accountable for poor decisions of which inevitably there are 2-3 per test match. I'm not sure that's acceptable but cricketers and the cricketing fraternity have always accepted that that's the roundabout nature of cricket and it even outs in the long run.

I still say that it's not acceptable and technology must be used more extensively.

In fact I reckon appealing for wickets should cease all together and the umpire together with the 3rd umpire with the assistance of TV replays should be the soul judge of whether a batsman is out or not. Every possible wicket ball should be reviewed immediately after being bowled with a siren going off in the stadium to signal the batsman's out.

Umpires I reckon would be under far less pressure from a bowling side continously appealing.

But my suggestion at best is laughable and far fetched

 

[JK8]

Agreed, it's high time the umpires become accountable for poor decisions of which inevitably there are 2-3 per test match. I'm not sure that's acceptable but cricketers and the cricketing fraternity have always accepted that that's the roundabout nature of cricket and it even outs in the long run.

I still say that it's not acceptable and technology must be used more extensively.

In fact I reckon appealing for wickets should cease all together and the umpire together with the 3rd umpire with the assistance of TV replays should be the soul judge of whether a batsman is out or not. Every possible wicket ball should be reviewed immediately after being bowled with a siren going off in the stadium to signal the batsman's out.

Umpires I reckon would be under far less pressure from a bowling side continously appealing.

But my suggestion at best is laughable and far fetched

Dont Americanise our sport!!!

 

[sand_man]

how's the weather in Durbs anyway? Believe it's been raining quite a bit? Hopefully it's clear for the 3rd test?

 

[killadoob]

i agree with india

some his decisions made me think he had a crack pipe hidden in his top pocket

 

[milomak]

The problem with has happened is the nature of the way it has happened. It has greatly reduced the ICC’s power to stand up to nations. Though that started with the whole Pakistan/Hair debacle

 

[JK8]

The problem with has happened is the nature of the way it has happened. It has greatly reduced the ICC’s power to stand up to nations. Though that started with the whole Pakistan/Hair debacle

But they legitimate claims.

 

[milomak]

NEW DELHI, Jan 9 (Reuters) - The West Indies Cricket Board
(WICB) has dubbed as "extreme" the International Cricket
Council's (ICC) decision to drop umpire Steve Bucknor following
the Sydney test controversy.
The ICC dropped Jamaican Bucknor for the third test in Perth
following pressure from the Indian board after umpiring errors
in the second test, which Australia won by 122 runs to go 2-0 up
in the series.
"On the surface, the ICC's reaction in this particular
instance seems to be extreme," West Indies board president
Julian Hunte said in a letter to ICC president Ray Mali and
published in the board's Web site www.windiescricket.com.
"A dangerous precedent may have been set by the ICC."
The ICC seemed to be adopting double standards after
refusing to act on a formal protest by West Indies against poor
umpiring on their 2005 Australia tour, he said.
"The ICC's reaction by (general manager) Dave Richardson was
to acknowledge that errors were made but to insist that 'the
overall standard of umpiring has improved in recent years,
particularly with the advent of the elite panel'.
"It would be interesting to know what made this situation
any different," said Hunte.
He added both New Zealand's Billy Bowden, who will replace
Bucknor, and Procter also officiated in that series.
The West Indies board has sought more information on the
Bucknor issue, including communication between the umpire and
ICC, to decide on any future action.
Bucknor, 61, is the most experienced umpire in international
cricket history, having stood in a record 120 tests and five
one-day World Cup finals.
"There is no question that even the best umpires make
mistakes," Hunte said. "They are human and there are
circumstances which may affect their judgment.
"What worries us is whether the action of the ICC in the
case of Mr. Bucknor might create even more problems for the ICC
and international cricket down the line."

legitimate or not. accepting the threats has weakened the ICC's position especially when requests through proper channels were rejected.