2007 Cricket World Cup (West Indies) thread

[Boodles]

Im backing those poms today - cmon lads, show those lankins how to win.

 

[GreatBigMouth]

Hopefully they don't win. If they beat Sri Lanka today, they move ahead of us in the rankings.

 

[hj2k_x]

Yeah, 71 is terrible. Everyone should bat at 100 runs per 100 balls. Our score of 438 should be the average we aim for.

Stop sitting on a forum bad mouthing one of South Africa's best batsmen ever, without putting his statistics into perspective.

Like I said, Kallis virtually opens the batting with South Africa's highly inconsistent opening partnerships which have plagued them since readmission.

Kirsten/Hudson, Kirsten/Gibbs, Hall/Smith, Gibbs/Smith, Smith/AB - how many different combinations have their been in ODI's?

I'm sure it's easy coming in at 0/1 in the 3rd over and scoring at a strike rate of 100. His role is to bat through the innings.

Compare apples to apples. Because Ponting & co. have higher strike rates, doesn't make Kallis "too slow" for ODI's because of his lower strike rate.

The other batsmen should take some responsibility too. Stop blaming one batsmen. It's a team sport. If you've ever played cricket, you'd realise that there's a lot of pressure batting at number 3 if your opening batsmen consistently under perform.

Listen here buddy, this is a public forum that encourages discussion and debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because you do not agree with mine, don't go throwing your toys out of your cot.

I never said Kallis was a bad batsmen, he is a great batsmen, suited to the 5-day game. Some of his shots yesterday were nothing short of perfect, but that does not mean that he is a good one day batsmen.

If you had ever played cricket you would understand the pressure on you if you need 7 an over and your batting partner is turning down singles and blocking.

 

[JK8]

Leave them geek I tried defending Kallis, lol they just those stupid types that still think they special and 438 makes them the best of the best!

 

[hj2k_x]

Leave them geek I tried defending Kallis, lol they just those stupid types that still think they special and 438 makes them the best of the best!

So the troll has found a partner. Great.

 

[JK8]

So the troll has found a partner. Great.

You dont understand cricket, you just regurgitate commentators and other little miserable formites crap!
Can you judge Kallis entire cricketing carreer on one game where he scored 40 of 60 balls?

Surely you can see how stupid you being.

 

[.geek]

Listen here buddy, this is a public forum that encourages discussion and debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because you do not agree with mine, don't go throwing your toys out of your cot.

I never said Kallis was a bad batsmen, he is a great batsmen, suited to the 5-day game. Some of his shots yesterday were nothing short of perfect, but that does not mean that he is a good one day batsmen.

If you had ever played cricket you would understand the pressure on you if you need 7 an over and your batting partner is turning down singles and blocking.

First of all, I am not your buddy. Second of all, you shouldn't take such personal offense to me saying South African supporters are fickle. Look at the Rugby and Soccer teams - one bad performance and the supports + media are all over them. Drop the coach, drop the captain. There's no denying that.

Lastly, your sarcastic comment of Please!! would mean that you do not agree with the commentators saying his strike rate of ~71 is good. Fine, you think his strike rate is bad and he is not good enough for ODI's.

What I am saying is put his strike rate in to context with how South Africa's opening batsmen have done over the years and the fact that Kallis bats at number 3. Quite different to Ponting, batting at number 3 with the best openers in the game, getting his side off to a great start.

Strike rates:
Ponting's 80.12
Kallis 71.25

A difference of 8.87 runs per 100 balls does not make Kallis unsuitable for ODI's. End of story.

 

[krycor]

At least Kallis batted at nearly a run a ball yesterday

Jacques Kallis 66* (86)

He didn't when he got to 50 he was 10 balls behind so he slowed down and blocked alot towards the end.

 

[hj2k_x]

You dont understand cricket, you just regurgitate commentators and other little miserable formites crap!
Can you judge Kallis entire cricketing carreer on one game where he scored 40 of 60 balls?

Surely you can see how stupid you being.

How much cricket have you watched?

That is how Kallis plays. Hence a strike rate OVER HIS CARREER or 71.

 

[BobbyMac]

You dont understand cricket, you just regurgitate commentators and other little miserable formites crap!
Can you judge Kallis entire cricketing carreer on one game where he scored 40 of 60 balls?

For ODI cricket absolutely - because that's exactly how he bats - especially against better sides.

Surely you can see how stupid you being.

No, that colour tag is stupid.

 

[.geek]

Leave them geek I tried defending Kallis, lol they just those stupid types that still think they special and 438 makes them the best of the best!

Yeah, sadly anything under 6 runs per over is apparently too slow now.

I don't suppose they considered the pitches the last two games on were a "little" different to the Wanderers and even some of the pitches the group stages were played on.

 

[hj2k_x]

First of all, I am not your buddy. Second of all, you shouldn't take such personal offense to me saying South African supporters are fickle. Look at the Rugby and Soccer teams - one bad performance and the supports + media are all over them. Drop the coach, drop the captain. There's no denying that.

Lastly, your sarcastic comment of Please!! would mean that you do not agree with the commentators saying his strike rate of ~71 is good. Fine, you think his strike rate is bad and he is not good enough for ODI's.

What I am saying is put his strike rate in to context with how South Africa's opening batsmen have done over the years and the fact that Kallis bats at number 3. Quite different to Ponting, batting at number 3 with the best openers in the game, getting his side off to a great start.

Strike rates:
Ponting's 80.12
Kallis 71.25

A difference of 8.87 runs per 100 balls does not make Kallis unsuitable for ODI's. End of story.

I take personal offence when you start to tell me what to do when all I am doing is expressing my, very justified, opinion.

The commentators were trying to say that a strike rate of 70 is good in one day cricket. It is not.

Batting so slowly puts pressure on the rest of the team. Even when we wi, then we get a negative run rate because of it. I am not sure what you don't understand here.

 

[hj2k_x]

Yeah, sadly anything under 6 runs per over is apparently too slow now.

I don't suppose they considered the pitches the last two games on were a "little" different to the Wanderers and even some of the pitches the group stages were played on.

Taken into account.

He bats like that all the time. If we organised a game on the street out here by me with a tennis ball, he would bat like that.

 

[JK8]

Taken into account.

He bats like that all the time. If we organised a game on the street out here by me with a tennis ball, he would bat like that.

Ahhh good ol street cricket, maybe we should arrange a game, I can really hurt you with a tennis ball you know!
Ive been playing for years got trophies and medals and ya etc etc.
Watching for years to!

 

[hj2k_x]

Ahhh good ol street cricket, maybe we should arrange a game, I can really hurt you with a tennis ball you know!
Ive been playing for years got trophies and medals and ya etc etc.
Watching for years to!

Hehe. I would be keen indeed.

 

[JK8]

Yeah, sadly anything under 6 runs per over is apparently too slow now.

I don't suppose they considered the pitches the last two games on were a "little" different to the Wanderers and even some of the pitches the group stages were played on.

Ya I would like to know the stats in terms of how many games are at 6 an over or more VS under 6 an over!

 

[krycor]

uhm seriously his strike rate means squat, so does everyone elses prior to powerplays and pro20 because the game has changed alot. If you look at the newer opener batsmen or more agressive batsmen since powerplays you will see they score alot more and with a higher rate.

Now the problem is this, sure SA has an unsable opening pair more often then not but with powerplays nowadays u have to score over 6 an over to make the task of chasing easier.

In fact I am hoping for high scoring games to come where the batting 2nd team actually pulls thru with their plan which usually involves hamering the powerplays and then easing to victory. Altho in that Aus vs SA game it fell apart spectacularly, if you watched the aussies in the field they were worried.. heck even while kallis was stolling along with smith they still got runs easily and the powerplay was delayed cause they thought it would stem the run flow.

In the past people use to leave 75-90 off the last 10 overs but in the windies WC it looks like a better strategy to go wild in the first 20 cause it gets considerably harder to score as easily. So unless kallis starts smashing in the 20ov powerplays I think he should come in lower.. perhaps push gibs or someone up the order? At the same time there is like no time left to mess around, last 'easy' game is bangladesh and kallis has not been impressive when he comes in early vs minnow teams.

 

[hj2k_x]

uhm seriously his strike rate means squat, so does everyone elses prior to powerplays and pro20 because the game has changed alot. If you look at the newer opener batsmen or more agressive batsmen since powerplays you will see they score alot more and with a higher rate.

Now the problem is this, sure SA has an unsable opening pair more often then not but with powerplays nowadays u have to score over 6 an over to make the task of chasing easier.

In fact I am hoping for high scoring games to come where the batting 2nd team actually pulls thru with their plan which usually involves hamering the powerplays and then easing to victory. Altho in that Aus vs SA game it fell apart spectacularly, if you watched the aussies in the field they were worried.. heck even while kallis was stolling along with smith they still got runs easily and the powerplay was delayed cause they thought it would stem the run flow.

In the past people use to leave 75-90 off the last 10 overs but in the windies WC it looks like a better strategy to go wild in the first 20 cause it gets considerably harder to score as easily. So unless kallis starts smashing in the 20ov powerplays I think he should come in lower.. perhaps push gibs or someone up the order? At the same time there is like no time left to mess around, last 'easy' game is bangladesh and kallis has not been impressive when he comes in early vs minnow teams.

Finally some comments that make some kind of sense.

Bring him in lower down. Problem then is, that if we have lost a few wickets early on, he will bat even slower. Consolidation is always good, but not an enitre innings like that.

 

[hj2k_x]

Ya I would like to know the stats in terms of how many games are at 6 an over or more VS under 6 an over!

That is not really the point. The point is that IF we do need more than a run a ball Kallis simply CANNOT adapt his game accordingly.

 

[mccrack]

I agree with hj2k_x,

.geek , you got way to personal.

I think hj and myself are more frustrated than anything else, Kallis has immense talent but doesnt dominate attacks like the before mentioned players unless it comes to the fastest 50 vs Zimbabwe.

hj, i heard the same commentary you did, i believe it was Darryl Cullinan that brought up the topic.