24/7 downloading

PeterCH said:
Why do you post here if you don't have a problem? We actually have an issue we want MWEB to take notice of. You are just pushing your own opinion on others. You're just trolling.

If you're happy - good for you. However while I am happy at the moment, who knows if my 100GB pm or less will be seen as abuse in August or September or October.
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LOL Stop being such a drama queen.My advice is keep it under 100GB just to play it safe otherwise who knows........you could get the death penalty.
Seriously though,I think I am entitled to an opinion even if I dont have a problem.Although it would be great if MWEB could quantify usage for us,for obvious reasons they are not going to do it and for your own sanity you should accept it or move on.
 
Ok, so let me get this perfectly clear. As long as I don't try to bypass MWEB's shaping by using VPN's and funny seedboxes or whatever, and I don't download at full line speed 24/7, you say I'm ok? So, what, 4096Kbps speed 24/7 is about a terabyte a month? So MWEB has no legal reason for kicking me off if I clock about 800 or 900 Gigs in a month?

No, don't come at me about fair use here, I'm not actually using that much data, I'm not even sure how you could if you would. I'm talking about actual quantifiable T&C parameters, and advertising versus what is actually happening.
 
ajules said:
LOL Stop being such a drama queen.My advice is keep it under 100GB just to play it safe otherwise who knows........you could get the death penalty.
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What on earth are you talking about? There are other ISP's marketing similar packages for customers with usage in the 250GB region.
 
ajules said:
LOL Stop being such a drama queen.My advice is keep it under 100GB just to play it safe otherwise who knows........you could get the death penalty.
Seriously though,I think I am entitled to an opinion even if I dont have a problem.Although it would be great if MWEB could quantify usage for us,for obvious reasons they are not going to do it and for your own sanity you should accept it or move on.
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Would you not find a quantifiable sum under which you are 'safe' good? If we knew this we could budget better and not download what is not really unnecessary.
 
PeterCH said:
Would you not find a quantifiable sum under which you are 'safe' good? If we knew this we could budget better and not download what is not really unnecessary.
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I dont think you have to worry about a budget.As long as you dont bypass their shaping protocols or download 24/7 you are safe - if that means being able to download 200,300 or 400GB's then so be it.
Anyway I am sure a lot of people will disagree but that is my opinion and I am comfortable following those rules.I don't believe it is going to get me kicked off but if it does I will be sure to post it here:D
 
dotVIBE said:
Ok, so let me get this perfectly clear. As long as I don't try to bypass MWEB's shaping by using VPN's and funny seedboxes or whatever, and I don't download at full line speed 24/7, you say I'm ok? So, what, 4096Kbps speed 24/7 is about a terabyte a month? So MWEB has no legal reason for kicking me off if I clock about 800 or 900 Gigs in a month?

No, don't come at me about fair use here, I'm not actually using that much data, I'm not even sure how you could if you would. I'm talking about actual quantifiable T&C parameters, and advertising versus what is actually happening.
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Their T&C's don't state 24/7, but it does say active, periodic use. How you interpret that, and how I interpret that, and how MWeb interprets that are all probably different.

As for the "how can you possibly use 1TB a month and actually use it" arguments, BluRay movies wiegh in at upwards of 20GB and take an hour or two to watch. A cheapskate videophile can easily max out thier line and actually watch everything they grab while still having a life :p
 
Icarium said:
Their T&C's don't state 24/7, but it does say active, periodic use. How you interpret that, and how I interpret that, and how MWeb interprets that are all probably different.

As for the "how can you possibly use 1TB a month and actually use it" arguments, BluRay movies wiegh in at upwards of 20GB and take an hour or two to watch. A cheapskate videophile can easily max out thier line and actually watch everything they grab while still having a life :p
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So less than a Terabyte a month should qualify as periodic use, right? Because then I'm not maxing my line all the time, right? Of course there is always the "get out of jail free" clause where they can terminate your contract at their whim without any reason whatsoever.
 
"periodic and attended use"

How do they substantiate claims that there wasn't someone behind the keyboard at the time of a large download?

If someone is downloading a 2gb file (such as, for example, a massive redux mod for a game like Fallout3 or Oblivion), on 4mbps, it will take approximately 80 minutes (1h20min) to complete. If someone on 384kbps is downloading it, it'll take approximately 15 hours to download.

So now the 384kbps guy, the little guy, is the bad man, because he isn't making periodic, attended use of his connection to download a maximum of 2gb a day as opposed to the 4mbps guy that's able to download in excess of 20gb a day if he really wants to? This, of course, is all while being behind the keyboard (16 hour day), the way many people working from home would be.


What it boils down to is that they need to have some way to get rid of customers they feel are causing them too great a profit loss, but don't want to make any kind of 'abusive use' claims that come back to total bandwidth consumed per month. Because of this they have to find other 'excuses' to cut those people off; ones that, given they are stipulated in a T&C document upon signup by the client, the client cannot argue in court should a legal case be taken out against the ISP 'at fault'.

ISPs that want to have such terms should rather just go with rolling windows to regulate users and be done with it, otherwise there's going to be those out there that will get accounts like Mweb's and use it as much as possible until such a time as they get kicked from the Mweb service, at which point they'll simply move onto the next best ISP to do the same with until they finally get 'banned' from using any ISPs' services except those with reasonable terms that enforce comparatively reasonable, and predictable policies.

Product punting as it may seem, Openweb uncapped accounts would probably fall into such a category, since you may get shapedto**** during business hours, but at least your after hours downloads go along merrily at high speeds, and you can be sure you'll never get a mail from them threatening to cut off your proverbial testicles if you don't relax your usage, and I'm sure there are other ISPs out there that have similar accounts available.
 
PeterCH said:
Oh come on, your signature even has MWEB's "T&C" - like any ordinary person would punt a company.... anyway enjoy your cash.
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The link is in my signature to assist all those who seem incapable of reading the T&C. This way it's only one click away. It has nothing to do with punting a company.
 
nanonyous said:
"periodic and attended use"

How do they substantiate claims that there wasn't someone behind the keyboard at the time of a large download?

If someone is downloading a 2gb file (such as, for example, a massive redux mod for a game like Fallout3 or Oblivion), on 4mbps, it will take approximately 80 minutes (1h20min) to complete. If someone on 384kbps is downloading it, it'll take approximately 15 hours to download.

So now the 384kbps guy, the little guy, is the bad man, because he isn't making periodic, attended use of his connection to download a maximum of 2gb a day as opposed to the 4mbps guy that's able to download in excess of 20gb a day if he really wants to? This, of course, is all while being behind the keyboard (16 hour day), the way many people working from home would be.


What it boils down to is that they need to have some way to get rid of customers they feel are causing them too great a profit loss, but don't want to make any kind of 'abusive use' claims that come back to total bandwidth consumed per month. Because of this they have to find other 'excuses' to cut those people off; ones that, given they are stipulated in a T&C document upon signup by the client, the client cannot argue in court should a legal case be taken out against the ISP 'at fault'.

ISPs that want to have such terms should rather just go with rolling windows to regulate users and be done with it, otherwise there's going to be those out there that will get accounts like Mweb's and use it as much as possible until such a time as they get kicked from the Mweb service, at which point they'll simply move onto the next best ISP to do the same with until they finally get 'banned' from using any ISPs' services except those with reasonable terms that enforce comparatively reasonable, and predictable policies.

Product punting as it may seem, Openweb uncapped accounts would probably fall into such a category, since you may get shapedto**** during business hours, but at least your after hours downloads go along merrily at high speeds, and you can be sure you'll never get a mail from them threatening to cut off your proverbial testicles if you don't relax your usage, and I'm sure there are other ISPs out there that have similar accounts available.
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TLDR.

However, if you download 24/7 for an entire month, chances are you are not actively using the connection.
 
SabreWolfy said:
The link is in my signature to assist all those who seem incapable of reading the T&C. This way it's only one click away. It has nothing to do with punting a company.
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The problem is that we're more than capable of reading T&C. They are pretty vague and we just want some clarification. You are punting a company and while you are free to do that, I will ask you not to reply or engage me personally on this forum, unless you are an official MWEB employee who can give us clarification. If you continue to engage me I will have to assume you are part of MWEB.
 
PeterCH said:
The problem is that we're more than capable of reading T&C. They are pretty vague and we just want some clarification. You are punting a company and while you are free to do that, I will ask you not to reply or engage me personally on this forum, unless you are an official MWEB employee who can give us clarification. If you continue to engage me I will have to assume you are part of MWEB.
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ROFL! Don't dictate to me! Infer what you will from this reply -- you will anyway. ROFL!
 
SabreWolfy said:
TLDR.

However, if you download 24/7 for an entire month, chances are you are not actively using the connection.
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Stop putting up STRAWMEN and bashing them down. We don't want to DOWNLOAD 24/7. We want clarification so that these vague rules don't bite us when we download what we want when we want it. Even at 100-150GB pm I could be abusing the network and so I want clarification so that if necessary I can either cut down to what is acceptable or leave the account. I don't want to be told things in vague terms. I don't DL 24/7 and neither do any of the other posters on this thread - I am willing to bet. Hence if MWEB said we consider 5% utilisation fair or 5-10% of even 0-15% but doing more means playing with fire, we would be happy. It's an uncapped account but this is what we consider reasonable use = x GB or x hours per month download OR this is what we may consider abusive = y hrs per month/GB. They may change these as they always have the right to update what they want.
 
nanonyous said:
Read it or don't bother commenting, because what you said has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
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He plays the 24/7 strawman. You say one thing he'll say you wanna do 24/7 so you are an evil network congester :).
 
nanonyous said:
Read it or don't bother commenting, because what you said has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
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Read it, for what it's worth. You are mentioning that MWeb is using the "actively" using the connection issue as an excuse to "ban" people. I'm reminding you that if you are downloading the whole month you are not actively using the connection.
 
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