42" LG LED vs 40" Sammy

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Hey helpful folk,

We're in the market for a telly to replace the 24" LCD monitor we were using for our Xbox and HTPC. The area's about 3.5mx3.5m and there's a window on one side, probably 1.5m from the intended telly.

I've had a viewing of the LG 42LS4600 at Makro (according to another store no-one else has stock of these). Not exactly the best space to base a decision on, but I wasn't exactly impressed with the PQ of the screen. Overall, most of the dozens of screens seemed to have unimpressive quality (viewing some HD soccer match with bright blues, reds and the green grass).

Next up, I viewed a Samsung 40EH6030 amongst a variety of other screens at Cats Digital and was quite impressed by the clarity of the image compared to supposedly better models.

We will not be watching TV channels, but rather series and movies from the HTPC and using the Xbox360, all hooked up via HDMI cables into a Marantz receiver which will be hooked up to the TV via HDMI too.

We're not keen on spending more than 7.5K on the screen. Sizewise, a 42" would be the perfect size (for now anyway), but we'd be satisfied with the 40", if the image is clear and sharp enough, without input delay for gaming.
 
Although I haven't heard of the UA40EH6030, it'll be in a class of its own, being a 6 Series. Think the LG is more in competition to the 5 Series Sammy, and 6 Series betters it considerable.

What times will you be viewing? Does the window have a curtain? :p
 
i dont know if you have a mate or someone with an account at Pinnacle but I see they have the bellow TV in stock which puts it at around your budget.

UA46D5000 46"SAMSUNG LED TV FHD 50HZ,4XHDMI,1920X1080,USB2.0 1 R6,750.00 EXCL VAT
 
lumpyza said:
i dont know if you have a mate or someone with an account at Pinnacle but I see they have the bellow TV in stock which puts it at around your budget.

UA46D5000 46"SAMSUNG LED TV FHD 50HZ,4XHDMI,1920X1080,USB2.0 1 R6,750.00 EXCL VAT
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Not such a great price, 6 Series would cream it, also considering it's E range (latest); D range has quite a few backlight uniformity issues which Samsung hopefulyl resolved.

I agree though in going for the biggest size you can... +- 3m is more than enough distance for a 46" LCD (or 51" plasma :D).
 
PostmanPot said:
Although I haven't heard of the UA40EH6030, it'll be in a class of its own, being a 6 Series. Think the LG is more in competition to the 5 Series Sammy, and 6 Series betters it considerable.

What times will you be viewing? Does the window have a curtain? :p
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Times = any and all times
Curtain = a light gauzy curtain which doesn't block too much light

I was hoping to find a TV with equal PQ to the 6-series, in a 42" flavour, but has to have the 100Hz refresh of the Samsung. The LG 42LS4600 is a 50Hz model it seems. I'm not really interested in the Smart or 3D features, which are pushing the prices up of LED screens
 
flarkit said:
Times = any and all times
Curtain = a light gauzy curtain which doesn't block too much light

I was hoping to find a TV with equal PQ to the 6-series, in a 42" flavour, but has to have the 100Hz refresh of the Samsung. The LG 42LS4600 is a 50Hz model it seems. I'm not really interested in the Smart or 3D features, which are pushing the prices up of LED screens
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100Hz would only seem to benefit you in gaming. Horrible for movies etc. Remember that 100Hz is adding extra data to the source of most/all media and is only really useful for games and sport (personally I can't handle it, too fake). 100Hz also adds extra input lag AFAIK, but I doubt this will be a problem.

I would stick with a Samsung 40" 6 Series, your budget allows it. It probably has a glossy screen though, so that could be a problem during daytime viewing. Would suggest a thicker curtain.

Don't discount a 46" LCD or 51" plasma though. A week down the line and you'll probably wish you went bigger. There's not much wrong with 50Hz LCD...

I just wonder what the differences are between the UA40ES6000 and UA40EH6030. ES and EH seems to relate to the type of LED backlighting used, whether in fact LED backlit, or LED edgelit. LED backlit is better for black uniformity and preventing light bleed and light spots, problems inherent with backlit tech opposed to self illuminated (like plasma). Backlit also implies deeper depth/housing. Edgelit implies less depth.

I think ES = LED backlit with deeper housing, and EH = LED edgelit and less deep housing. Roman knows, maybe he'll pop in.
 
PostmanPot said:
100Hz would only seem to benefit you in gaming. Horrible for movies etc. Remember that 100Hz is adding extra data to the source of most/all media.

I would stick with a Samsung 40" 6 Series, your budget allows it. It probably has a glossy screen though, so that could be a problem during daytime viewing.

I just wonder what the differences are between the UA40ES6000 and UA40EH6030. ES and EH seems to relate to the type of LED backlighting used, whether in fact LED backlit, or LED edgelit. LED backlit is better for black uniformity and preventing light bleed and light spots, problems inherent with backlit tech opposed to self illuminated (like plasma). Backlit also implies deeper depth/housing. Edgelit implies less depth.

I think ES = LED backlit with deeper housing, and EH = LED edgelit and less deep housing. Roman knows, maybe he'll pop in.
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Good point on the 100Hz, thanks. I don't know which image settings were being used when I viewed the Eh6030, but they were was showing X-Men:First Class across about 10 TV's and the EH6030's picture was impressively clear, even compared to a more expensive 42" LG. Pixelation (or whatever you'd call the phenomenon where lines seemed a little blurry) was definitely less evident on the Samsung

I found the 40ES6000, but they're going for about R10,000 it seems. Yowch
 
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PostmanPot said:
I think ES = LED backlit with deeper housing, and EH = LED edgelit and less deep housing. Roman knows, maybe he'll pop in.
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Its actually the other way around. EH = Backlit, ES = Side lite. Side lit LEDs are slimmer, often refered to as Slim LED
 
flarkit said:
Good point on the 100Hz, thanks. I don't know which image settings were being used when I viewed the Eh6030, but they were was showing X-Men:First Class across about 10 TV's and the EH6030's picture was impressively clear, even compared to a more expensive 42" LG. Pixelation (or whatever you'd call the phenomenon where lines seemed a little blurry) was definitely less evident on the Samsung

Google can't seem to find the ES6000 range for sale locally, unfortunately
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Updated my post. Don't discount 46" 50Hz LCD...

ES6xxx definitely available locally, vast majority of 6 Series and up are xxESxx. Samsung site, or at least television section, is down from here at the moment.

40" ES6200 at Makro is R8,999 - bit pricey, 51" FHD 3D plasma is superior and far better value.

Just wonder what is excluded from the EH6030. Funny model number, and funny model numbers usually means excluded features.

Checked up on EH vs ES. ES = edge lit with local dimming so they're the thinner ones. EH = deeper depth, non local dimming, not sure if they're also edge lit though, could be backlit.
 
Sydwayz said:
Its actually the other way around. EH = Backlit, ES = Side lite. Side lit LEDs are slimmer, often refered to as Slim LED
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This may be substantiated by the viewing at Cats, since the EH6030 was a thicker model, which doesn't bother me in the least. I think I'll be paying them a visit this weekend then, thanks! It's a bit sad that I couldn't locate a 42" model (any brand) which has actual 100Hz+, with backlit LED, in our price range. I'd sacrifice the Smart features and 3D functionality in a second.

On the 51" plasma side, I'm pretty sure that would be too big for our room currently. Perhaps next year I'd reconsider and grab a big puppy :D
 
PostmanPot said:
100Hz would only seem to benefit you in gaming. Horrible for movies etc. Remember that 100Hz is adding extra data to the source of most/all media and is only really useful for games and sport (personally I can't handle it, too fake). 100Hz also adds extra input lag AFAIK, but I doubt this will be a problem.
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You can dial down/turn of the level of interpolation (frame prediction) if you want.

The real benefit of 100Hz TVs (actually 120Hz with 60Hz input) when used with a HTPC, is that they will handle the cadence of files without any fuss or tweaking, resulting in smooth judder free movement (esp horizontal panning). TV series & movie files are encoded at 24fps sometimes 30fps, both of which are perfectly divisible by 120.
 
Roman4604 said:
You can dial down/turn of the level of interpolation (frame prediction) if you want.

The real benefit of 100Hz TVs (actually 120Hz with 60Hz input) when used with a HTPC, is that they will handle the cadence of files without any fuss or tweaking, resulting in smooth judder free movement (esp horizontal panning). TV series & movie files are encoded at 24fps sometimes 30fps, both of which are perfectly divisible by 120.
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Here I thought I was technically-inclined, but that's making my head hurt! Guess I have some homework to do!

(Speaking mathematically, 120 is divisible by 24 and by 30, not the other way round :D)

Still seems like the choice has been made at the 40EH6030, in the R7,000 range, with the features we're after. Aside from possible daytime viewing issues, which would need to be resolved with some heavier curtains, LOL
 
flarkit said:
(Speaking mathematically, 120 is divisible by 24 and by 30, not the other way round :D)
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Correct (what I meant). The point is you can set your HTPC's video card to the default 60Hz and not have to worry about choppy video. With a TV that only has a 50/60Hz engine its best to set the output of the video card to 24Hz, but then if you view a 30fps file a pull down process needs to occur, which results in (horizontal) judder.
 
Roman4604 said:
Correct (what I meant). The point is you can set your HTPC's video card to the default 60Hz and not have to worry about choppy video. With a TV that only has a 50/60Hz engine its best to set the output of the video card to 24Hz, but then if you view a 30fps file a pull down process needs to occur, which results in (horizontal) judder.
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Yeah, setting output to 24Hz makes most movies and series look great.
 
Just out of curiosity, what thoughts on the Panasonic THP42U30Q 42" FHD plasma? It's roughly the same price as the Samsung 40EH6030
 
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Went and had a look at the 42" FHD Panasonic and it seems like a decent option compared to the surrounding models - good colours, clarity was sharp, plus New World has them on special at 5,999. Then the missus messed with my head and wanted to know whether we shouldn't rather wait a bit for a 46" instead. Sigh
 
flarkit said:
Went and had a look at the 42" FHD Panasonic and it seems like a decent option compared to the surrounding models - good colours, clarity was sharp, plus New World has them on special at 5,999. Then the missus messed with my head and wanted to know whether we shouldn't rather wait a bit for a 46" instead. Sigh
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Then rather wait for 51" FHD 3D SMART plasma. Samsung PS51E550. You will never get the same PQ as plasma with entry-mid LCD.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/458959-SAMSUNG-PS51E550-at-The-Home-Makers-Expo-(CTICC)
 
PostmanPot said:
Then rather wait for 51" FHD 3D SMART plasma. Samsung PS51E550. You will never get the same PQ as plasma with entry-mid LCD.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/458959-SAMSUNG-PS51E550-at-The-Home-Makers-Expo-(CTICC)
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I was in Makro on friday and the had the PS51E550 and the 47LM5800 underneath each other. They had supersport HD on all the tv's and the lg looked better, brighter. Isn't the samsung suppose to be better? Although the one is 51" and the other 47" the samsung looked very dull and maybe a bit grainy. They had this ****ing annoying lg rep there that tried to sell me the lg, it really pissed me off! And apperantly you cannot get the remote of a certain tv because its "still in the box".
 
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