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Very stupid decision by Windies to bat first! Shows the skipper's inexperience...
Glass houses? AB is one of the not-so-bright skipper sin the tournament you know. One would argue his start as captain was worse than the blunders Holder's been churning out since he was appointed so relax ;)
 

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Glass houses? AB is one of the not-so-bright skipper sin the tournament you know. One would argue his start as captain was worse than the blunders Holder's been churning out since he was appointed so relax ;)

Your ignorance is truly astonishing.
 

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Whatever they do these days ends in tears!

They very under cooked!

It's tough and not the place to do it but maybe they can find some form during the CWC!

Could be dangerous if they do and they should secure the 4th spot in the group and progress! Aus in the quarter finals and Chris Gayle comes to the party, as he can and a potential banana peel for the Ozzies!!!! We live in hope...

Their issues started the minute they omitted Kieron Pollard and Dwayne Bravo from the group. Watched a bit of their innings this morning. Jonathan Carter looks completely out of his depth in the middle order. At 60/4 or whatever it was, you need someone of Pollard's or Bravo's ilk coming in to stabilise things.

I agree with you whole-heartedly though that on their day, Gayle can lead the Windies to victory over anyone. I mention Gayle because apart from maybe Russel, no one else in that team inspires much confidence. They're not the same animal without the two above mentioned players as well as Sunil Narine.
 

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Glass houses? AB is one of the not-so-bright skipper sin the tournament you know. One would argue his start as captain was worse than the blunders Holder's been churning out since he was appointed so relax ;)

You're either trolling again or you are way more ignorant than you give off. My bet is on trolling. Eejit!
 

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Your ignorance is truly astonishing.
You're either trolling again or you are way more ignorant than you give off. My bet is on trolling. Eejit!
No trolling here or ignorance. Shared by certain articles. look up cricinfo for all his matches early days, and when he was flip-flopping captaincy between ODis&T20s. AB was a shambles! #FACT

I would appreciate it if you dug up an article praising his captaincy in his early days in the role. Even a lot of fans were criticising his captaincy if you look at th ecomments never mind the articles. What do you take me for? How many have said better Faf than AB for T20/ODI capataincy? He was the same as Holder .. worse if you consider the playing resources either has/d.
 

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I'm busy digging up the links

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/52720/ab-de-villiers-admits-to-captaincy-errors

Even the recent loss vs WI. Check out Gurudumu & niazbhi's comments on this articles. Neutrals are never clouded by their overstated love for a player. http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-west-indies-2014-15/content/current/story/823977.html

Resigned T20 captaincy becaus he couldn't cut it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/content/story/605613.html

Shafiek Abrahams said that in his view, Faf du Plessis' leadership skills were superior to AB de VIlliers'. http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-south-africa-2013/content/story/660329.html
De Villiers' series began with a strategic conundrum. South Africa chose to field two specialist spinners, both left-armers, in the first two matches. Against a line-up laden with right-hand batsmen and with some of the best players of spin in the world, it was asking for trouble. That de Villiers struggled to manage them was hardly a surprise.

But he also struggled to manage in general. There was an instance in the second match when he wanted Robin Peterson, who opened the bowling, to make way for Chris Morris, who wasn't aware he was being called on. Morris had not warmed up and was obviously surprised. It was only a small indication of non-communication but it was still notable.

His habit of introducing a part-timer to bowl at times of uncertainty is proving too much of a gamble - it has worked on isolated occasions, including once for Farhaan Behardien this series, but it is not a consistently sound tactic. It also shows de Villiers' own uncertainty, a trait he has been captain for too long to still have.

In a nutshell the overriding point is that de Villiers was made captain at the time because there was no other choice. Many touted Amla, Faf&JP ahead of him. Amla withdrew his candidacy, Faf got the captaincy but it remains a mystery why JP wasn't given the captaincy ahead of an ABdV they had little faith in.

POSTED BY marlon17 on | August 8, 2013, 17:49 GMT
Bring back Smith as the captain for 2015 WC... After that Faf should take over him.. Ab s one f the best batsman in the world.. bt nt a good captain at all...
POSTED BY on | August 8, 2013, 14:30 GMT
Why is Duminy over looked as a captain? He bats bowls and feilds brilliantly. He seems to be the most stable performer and understands the game well. Perhaps he is not the most authoritive figure but then we'd rather have someone with a calm head out there. He has dug us out of many a dire situations.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/content/story/626449.html
De Villiers' showings with the bat are not a reflection on his leadership as he still appears uncertain despite saying he is settling in. He has made too many questionable decisions, most recently getting Colin Ingram to bowl the over that handed Pakistan the advantage in Durban. He changes fields too often and even needlessly, and is sometimes at loggerheads with the bowlers about where they want their men.

De Villiers admitted that he needed time to establish a style of leadership - understandable given the amount of time Graeme Smith spent in the position- but that has surely run out.
 
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There's too many. But I just can't find that one killer article that dissecting his poor captaincy in brutal yet accurate fashion. I don't know where I put the bookmark.

The fact that he wasn't picked as Test captain was not an accident.

He makes Clarke, Steve Smith&Matthews look like Hansie squared!
 

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There we go, the killer article http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-new-zealand-2012/content/story/601623.html

Two and a half years on, they have been through four captains but have not found a long-term replacement. The search for someone who has security in team position, aptitude, and the willingness to do the job full time is still on, as concerns grow about AB de Villiers' suitability. It is something South Africa have to address seriously as they plan for three ICC events in three years.

It has been 18 months since those decisions were made and questions are being asked about whether they were the correct ones. De Villiers appears increasingly uncomfortable with the role and Amla has shunned his part in it. Instead Faf du Plessis, who at the time of the appointments was only just starting to establish his place in the ODI side but has since become a regular across all three formats, has captained South Africa in a T20 series and will now take charge of the rest of the ODI series against New Zealand because of de Villiers' suspension.

A slow over rate cost de Villiers the chance to immerse himself in the intricacies of captaincy, as was the plan for this series. To that end, he gave up the wicketkeeping gloves so he could get a different perspective on the game.

He confessed that because things had happened so fast, he wasn't able to have sufficient time with his bowlers to discuss field placements and strategies, and said he felt out of control as the match went on.

He still felt he needed to be closer to the bowlers so that he could communicate better with them and he said felt rushed on the field.

That his concerns were almost identical to what they were a year ago could simply mean de Villiers needs more time to get to grips with captaincy. It could also point to his own uncertainty and indecisiveness, two traits that should appear only in very small quantities in a captain's kit but seem to feature more with de Villiers.

To illustrate that, consider that not only has he struggled to get to grips with leadership, he has also continually wavered about his role in the team. Long before he was considered captaincy material, de Villiers made it clear he wanted to become the best batsman in the world and did not want to keep wicket. He has since, in the words of convenor of selectors Andrew Hudson, "changed his mind" to the point where he was willing to sacrifice of "a year of my career" because of his bad back, to do the job.

When de Villiers was asked to take over as a limited-overs captain, it was put to him that the triple task of keeping, leading and batting would be too much. De Villiers did not agree with such suggestions. Neither did those who appointed him, specifically Gary Kirsten, although he has also changed his mind about that now and said he was "always concerned" the burden on de Villiers would be too great.

As a result, they have had to make a plan to rest de Villiers so he can continue keeping in Tests. He passed the gloves on in limited-overs, a dual solution that also allowed him to "focus on captaincy." It appeared a clever solution to all de Villiers' concerns but it did not ease the one about his ability, not willingness, to captain.

De Villiers continually claims to be unsure of the skills needed and the style of captaincy he should adopt. He has yet to find his way despite a reasonable amount of time in the job.
POSTED BY crafty-Rabbi on | January 22, 2013, 7:26 GMT
AB is a great natural sportsman. At times a sublime batsman and a jack rabbit in the field along the lines of Colin Bland and Jonty Rhodes. But just like Herschelle Gibbs he does not strike one as being one of cricket's great thinkers or strategists. Luckily he is leading the best team in the world so his ineptitude is concealed. He is a wonderful player to have in a team but not one to lead it.

POSTED BY MrGarreth on | January 22, 2013, 6:17 GMT
He has not yet lost an ODI series and we're calling for his head after losing a game to NZ by 1 wicket?? Look I never thought AB was captaincy material but at least give him a chance now that he has it.
 
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-new-zealand-2012/content/story/601302.html
To change one's mind or expand one's goals is only natural, for the administrators to accommodate that if it works with their team plans is also understandable but it all points to an obvious question that must be asked soon: when does too much room for individual flexibility cause too much disruption to the team's needs?
Thankfully he's the messiah so he always gets what he wants unless some big shots decide this is really enough as was the case with Test captaincy.
 

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No trolling here or ignorance. Shared by certain articles. look up cricinfo for all his matches early days, and when he was flip-flopping captaincy between ODis&T20s. AB was a shambles! #FACT

I'm busy digging up the links

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This is a CWC thread. It is dedicated to all things related to CWC matches, performances, etc.

This is not a thread for dredging up history or debating the validity of AB's captaincy. Either create your thread or go to the Protea Team thread. Your obsession with lambasting the squad is tantamount to trolling. Get over it or move on!

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Glass houses? AB is one of the not-so-bright skipper sin the tournament you know. One would argue his start as captain was worse than the blunders Holder's been churning out since he was appointed so relax ;)

I tend to agree a bit.
He hasnt shown any plays that make a great captain, but he has the respect and trust from the players.
Great captaincy only comes in bad situations, so no test for him yet...
 

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This is a CWC thread. It is dedicated to all things related to CWC matches, performances, etc.

This is not a thread for dredging up history or debating the validity of AB's captaincy. Either create your thread or go to the Protea Team thread. Your obsession with lambasting the squad is tantamount to trolling. Get over it or move on!

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McT with all due respect, you guys are doing it again. I made an innocent comment about AB based on what was said about Holder, who like AB is going into a big tournament as a poor inexperienced captain. Instead of responding to a cricket comment I made my character was assasinated.

I have produced overwhelming evidence to prove this and so I can be exonerated by those who unfailry meted out the criticism. Instead of directing you r ire towards them (i.e. yourself & Lament) you are instead resorting to accusing me of lambasting the squad etc etc, as opposed to acknowledging your error.

Next time I advise you not to insult me on the basis of my coment calling it a troll or ignaorance, because you may well find that it is you who is ignorant.;)

And by the way these matches have to do with CWC practice matches and the captain of one on the teams involved was questioned so I see absolutely no problem in what I said initially.
 

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This thread was cleaned recently by the Mods because you were ranting off and cluttering it up with your tiresome debates about matters that have no place in this thread. I reiterate; the place for you to debate Proteas, the squad and players is here.
 

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I tend to agree a bit.
He hasnt shown any plays that make a great captain, but he has the respect and trust from the players.
Great captaincy only comes in bad situations, so no test for him yet...
True, but in part his poor captaincy lost that recent ODI game against WI - to the same inexperinced captain.

Faf looks more comfortable while Amla goes about everything clamly even yielding to poor review calls, but having seen all of Amla, AB&Faf, I think it's all much of a muchness so AB is ok having had lots & lots of experience by now. If we want excellence it's obvious it will have to come in future from someone else not tried yet - Steyn, JP, Parnell, Rilee, QdK etc. Farhaan's captaincy has never disappointed me the few times I've watched him, but he's closer to exiting the team than captaining it.
 

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This thread was cleaned recently by the Mods because you were ranting off and cluttering it up with your tiresome debates about matters that have no place in this thread. I reiterate; the place for you to debate Proteas, the squad and players is here.
You continue to make me the problem yet it is you. I'm well aware of that thread.
 

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I have produced overwhelming evidence to prove this

Where?

His batting average in ODI's, as captain, is around 66 with a win ratio of 57%. He leads by example and IMHO has done his job.

EDIT: Graeme Smith, a great captain, win ratio? 61%, batting average as captain 38.09
 
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Please can someone sort out the negative issues in this thread ASAP.
 

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hehehe.... I think the reason you feel a target outcast is you NEVER can say anything good about anyone.... you always use stats and random articles to try and prove your point to break players down... I am sure you can post four time more positive articles about a player than trying to "troll" for attention...

On a side note, I am not the biggest fan of AB as captain, but his record as a player does not hamper his captaincy, and don't start with faf as captain, he might be a better one, but he first need to find form, as he is playing terrible atm.

Point is, there is no one that will excel that much better than AB and by that disrupt the team... accept it, AB is our captain and you have my vote... go AB!!
 

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True, but in part his poor captaincy lost that recent ODI game against WI - to the same inexperinced captain.

Faf looks more comfortable while Amla goes about everything clamly even yielding to poor review calls, but having seen all of Amla, AB&Faf, I think it's all much of a muchness so AB is ok having had lots & lots of experience by now. If we want excellence it's obvious it will have to come in future from someone else not tried yet - Steyn, JP, Parnell, Rilee, QdK etc. Farhaan's captaincy has never disappointed me the few times I've watched him, but he's closer to exiting the team than captaining it.

Well its a test for Ab we will have to see in the tournament.
We cant say hes bad, even though he had a few bad games and we cant say hes good, yet.
 

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Please can someone sort out the negative issues in this thread ASAP.

What?
We discussing the WC.

There are tons of issues in our team, why do you want to close your eyes and ignore them?
 
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