AB de villiers

[AirWolf]

What?
We discussing the WC.

There are tons of issues in our team, why do you want to close your eyes and ignore them?

I know there are issues, but this is not the thread for it. All the whining and minging is spoiling the experience for everyone.

Debate all you want, but take it elsewhere more appropriate for the subject.

 

[sand_man]

What?
We discussing the WC.

There are tons of issues in our team, why do you want to close your eyes and ignore them?

So focus on the issues then! When the selectors choose the team who do you think are the first names on the list? Amla? Steyn? Morkel? AB? JP?

Criticizing one of the greatest cricketers currently playing in world cricket is not addressing the teams issues. It's driving an agenda, feeding a bias and a prejudice.

 

[Rusty0]

So focus on the issues then! When the selectors choose the team who do you think are the first names on the list? Amla? Steyn? Morkel? AB? JP?

Criticizing one of the greatest cricketers currently playing in world cricket is not addressing the teams issues. It's driving an agenda, feeding a bias and a prejudice.

Lol, i see you quite a fan.
I agree, he is one of the best. But is captaincy been tested?

 

[sand_man]

Lol, i see you quite a fan.
I agree, he is one of the best. But is captaincy been tested?

Yes, I posted stats earlier. Average as captain of 66 with a win ratio of 57%. Compared with Graeme Smith, average of 38 with a win ratio of 61%.

Anyway these posts are going to get deleted soon, I'm sure, cause we OT!

 

[Creag]

You continue to make me the problem yet it is you. I'm well aware of that thread.

Here is the point of my ire. You have little positive to say about the Proteas. You are constantly negative. You debate constantly borders on trolling. The CWC squad has been chosen. The captain has been chosen. It is not up for debate.

You are cluttering up this thread with your incessant need for attention. Wading through your posts to find the comments relating to the CWC is frustrating.

I have no desire whatsoever to debate the squad or the merits of their appointments with you. I do not want to put you on an ignore list.

I want to focus on enjoying the CWC without your constant whining.

Please can someone sort out the negative issues in this thread ASAP.

Amen to this ^

What?
We discussing the WC.

There are tons of issues in our team, why do you want to close your eyes and ignore them?

The take it to the "Proteas - Our Team" thread.The squad is done and dusted. This is not a soapbox for you or Outcast for this purpose.

 

[Noob-Noob]

hehehe.... I think the reason you feel a target outcast is you NEVER can say anything good about anyone.... you always use stats and random articles to try and prove your point to break players down... I am sure you can post four time more positive articles about a player than trying to "troll" for attention...

On a side note, I am not the biggest fan of AB as captain, but his record as a player does not hamper his captaincy, and don't start with faf as captain, he might be a better one, but he first need to find form, as he is playing terrible atm.

Point is, there is no one that will excel that much better than AB and by that disrupt the team... accept it, AB is our captain and you have my vote... go AB!!

I have really tried looking at things from Outcast's viewpoint, but its impossible, they guy is a troll. He is biased and tries manipulating everything so that it suits him, He will use the stats that counts in his favor, ignore the ones that does not, use random articles to back himself, and again ignoring the others that does not.
There is no use arguing with him, he is racist, biased and has a hidden agenda in all of his posts. Reading some of his posts in "CA" is proof of that.

 

[Ho3n3r]

He can't do it by himself. Last time we relied on one guy to win the world cup, he got run out trying to get the winning run.

You evil, evil person.

 

[backstreetboy]

His he the men...

I'm looking for the the other okes

 

[ZCFOutkast]

@McT I think your buddies could've helped you and Lament out but they neglected to. I stated a generally accepted fact and both of you dissed me for that thereby opening a can of worms.

I corroborated my view that this was a generally accepted point, well documented too by a number of senior journalists (I can't remember a new captain so scrutinised and criticised like AB was in the last 10 years - even youngsters Smith, Kohli&Mathews etc have fared better). Even AB himself conceded to some of them.

Clearly the presence of substantiating references has upset you and you're resorting to talking about squad&captain selection - as if I'm calling for AB to be dropped form either role. - instead of saying "fairplay I won't be so quick with my sneering comments".

You speak as if the match threads won't be littered with comments like "Faf should'nt have picked or Farhaan shouldn't have been picked" even though we know that, barring injuries, everything is cast in stone. Or is the right to make such comments a preserve of other not me? Personally I don't think that's the problem. The mere fact that I'm not singing the same tune makes it appear as if every harmless comment I make is meant to be negative, an agenda, bias, attention-seeking etc.

What do you want me to say - "AB is our best LOI captain ever, he never made the same mistakes as Holder or worse, there's nothing amiss about him batting so low while not keeping, he's the best bastmen ever despite youngsters matching/outperforming him while taking on more responsibilities than him". I really don't know what you want me to say but to a right-minded minded I think those are sound arguments that I'm making, you just didn't expect anyone to have the nerve to say them ... which is normal I guess.

 

[ZCFOutkast]

hehehe.... I think the reason you feel a target outcast is you NEVER can say anything good about anyone.... you always use stats and random articles to try and prove your point to break players down... I am sure you can post four time more positive articles about a player than trying to "troll" for attention...

Once again this is the kind of generalisation which can easily debunked by a quick look at my posts, less than a thousang, but you'll find a couple hundred that disprove this perspective.

I've said lots of positive stuff about plenty players - Amla, Ingram, Rory, Faf, AB, Farhaan, Reeza, Steyn, Philander, Gqamane, Rusty, Albie, Morris, Viljoen, Tsotsobe, Shezi, Rabada, Tsolekile, Piedt, Beuran, Rilee, Stiaan, Bavuma, Zondo, Jacobs, Leie, Reeza, Cook, Rassie, McKenzie etc, the list is endless, and this is just cricket not rugby. The difference is you guys are just not used to saying or hearing positive things about some of the players I comment positively on. It's unheard of in these parts. In the time I've been part of this forum I don't think anyone has mentioned so many different cricket as much as I have (and I'm not exaggerating). Most of you guys focus on a handlful.

Maybe it upsets you when I bring in an argument that proves Morris might struggle to even find a place in the Lions alone in another season or two, and he's far behind some candidates national selection ahead oft hem would be unfair. I don't think normally anyone would have said "Rory is outbowling him for the A side" and "Rabada is outbowling him in the A side and for the Lions". Normally people would've just ignored that and said "yah Morris should be in next". With opening problems for the LOI side I said "Reeza should be the solution because of the batsmen next in line, he's the one who is a specialist opener and has been successful over many seasons yet people keep mentioning others as opposed to arguing he must get a run too like a QdK or RR etc."

So if you think about it, I say things pretty much none of you would have brought yourselves to say and becuase I say it "it's a hidden agenda"! Can you imagine what neutrals would say about your opinions of me then?

I love the Zimbabwe Cricket Team because they made bold teams to promote Africans in the sport. So when i discovered it I joined (as hhm/zcfoutkast) because someone referred me on cricinfo many years back when they saw me commenting on their team. Naturally most of the guys who comment on the supporters forum are white and a handful. Some of the attitudes here mirror them, but people forget neutrals read our posts too. So when NZ toured NZ guys also joined up (Bangladeshis too but their English not so good, but the point is it fed to their onto their forums). The neutrals basically said those were were writing *** and the forum was ****house. Be careful. It's not everyone who will agree with you conclusions.

 

[MickeyD]

I agree that AB was NOT a good captain when he started out.

I would go one step further and say that Amla should captain the Proteas in all formats of the game.

I do not believe in having different captain for the different formats.

 

[Bighit]

Naturally most of the guys who comment on the supporters forum are white and a handful.

Sorry, what did I miss, how did race become the issue here?

 

[Ho3n3r]

Anyone except ZFC who thinks ZFC is not a troll, hands up.

Nobody? Didn't think so. Now let's not feed him any more.

We won't win this world cup with our bowlers, that's for sure. Steyn a bit off the boil in the short stuff, Philander is dependable but not brilliant in ODI's, Behardien will get bliksemed all the way back here against anything remotely like a decent all-round batting line-up - which West Indies isn't - and Tahir, well, he is great when he is on form, which is a lot in ODI's I have to admit, but I'm just scared of when he will have his bad days, might well be under pressure. Morkel, well, he's just all over the show, one day bad, one day brilliant.

And we're in Oz, so we'll be made plenty aware of the choker tag, which is a reality, unfortunately. This won't help our mindset.

I'll just enjoy our brilliant play during the round robins, and anything we get after that will be viewed as a bonus. Maybe we break a few records along the way too, maybe beating Sri Lanka's 443 somewhere along the way against a team equally as **** as the one who they did that against(Holland).

Perhaps Amla/AB/Quintin can even get our first double hundred in ODI matches. Plenty to look forward to if we don't just focus on winning the whole tournament.

 

[Ho3n3r]

Sorry, what did I miss, how did race become the issue here?

He's an attention-seeking bigot. We don't need to feed him.

 

[MickeyD]

Anyone except ZFC who thinks ZFC is not a troll, hands up.

Nobody? Didn't think so. Now let's not feed him any more.

We won't win this world cup with our bowlers, that's for sure. Steyn a bit off the boil in the short stuff, Philander is dependable but not brilliant in ODI's, Behardien will get bliksemed all the way back here against anything remotely like a decent all-round batting line-up - which West Indies isn't - and Tahir, well, he is great when he is on form, which is a lot in ODI's I have to admit, but I'm just scared of when he will have his bad days, might well be under pressure. Morkel, well, he's just all over the show, one day bad, one day brilliant.

And we're in Oz, so we'll be made plenty aware of the choker tag, which is a reality, unfortunately. This won't help our mindset.

I'll just enjoy our brilliant play during the round robins, and anything we get after that will be viewed as a bonus. Maybe we break a few records along the way too, maybe beating Sri Lanka's 443 somewhere along the way against a team equally as **** as the one who they did that against(Holland).

Perhaps Amla/AB/Quintin can even get our first double hundred in ODI matches. Plenty to look forward to if we don't just focus on winning the whole tournament.

So was AB a good captain when he started out?

 

[MickeyD]

For the record... I also believe that AB is not a good captain.

Does that make me a troll as well?

 

[stefan9]

So was AB a good captain when he started out?

No but hardly surprising as he had never captained a side in his life as faf was always the captain at school while ab was the star player. Think holder should be held to a higher standard as he did captain teams before getting the windies gig.

I think people are a bit unfair on Outcast, he provides good debate. Even if I don't agree with 80% of what he says its still a good discussion.

 

[sand_man]

For the record... I also believe that AB is not a good captain.

Does that make me a troll as well?

Yes, but we know you a troll!

 

[sand_man]

Anyway, if you ask the people who really know the game they'll tell you this..

 

[MickeyD]

No but hardly surprising as he had never captained a side in his life as faf was always the captain at school while ab was the star player. Think holder should be held to a higher standard as he did captain teams before getting the windies gig.

I think people are a bit unfair on Outcast, he provides good debate. Even if I don't agree with 80% of what he says its still a good discussion.

I can understand that he was thrust into the spot when Smith stepped down and Amla refused to step up, so I do not blame him at all... to captain your country's top team is a massive honour. I feel it was unfair to him and that he did struggle. Right now he is neither a great nor bad captain, but a f***ing great player!!