AB de villiers

[ZCFOutkast]

De Villiers became the second youngest and second fastest South African to reach 1000 test runs after Graeme Pollock and you want to drop him??!!!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! And you wonder why people ignore your posts.... :wtf:

Once again stats don't lie.

Get back to me when you;re done searching for him the lists for fastest to:

2000 runs

3000 runs

4000 runs

But he does make an appearance at 5000 runs. And he's still behind players like Hussey&Bell whom you'd argue are lesser than him

I don't know why you try to make this an argument. AB de Villiers is not a great Test player, and he won;t be at the end of his career. To achieve that, SA would have to play plenty Tests, many away so he can right his record, he'd have to be incredibly consistent, and QdK had better be good enough to prevent Ab from keeping and injuring himself further reducing his games.

Face it and let's move on instead of arguing with it. After Smith&Kallis, the next best potential great is Amla. Period! At least he's been ahead of Smith (&ABdV) in Tests, forget ODIs where he pretty much sits alone. Even then Amla would struggle to be called a great though he's ahead of AB in both formats.

Why do I even bother to convince you guys, when Amla - a superior Test batsman(&ODI) than AB - would struggle to be regarded among the greats even from my standpoint, as well as many! From now on I'll only speak of Amla until AB reaches his heights!

 

[ZCFOutkast]

As to Reeza maybe when he starts averaging more then 34 in fc cricket he will make the grade.

Except Reeza is a specialist opener, and the context of those two's entry into international cricket was ODIs&T20s not Tests, so you're arguing from the wrong angle.

Reeza's List A average is superior, and he's opened virtually throughout, with the rest batting more lower down the order than they opened before being picked for internationals. All the more reason why their stats were very bad initially.

Anyway you already know all of that but are arguing that way to frustrate. Fact is neither of them should've been opening for the Proteas in any format before Reeza did. Period!

 

[Noob-Noob]

Except Reeza is a specialist opener, and the context of those two's entry into international cricket was ODIs&T20s not Tests, so you're arguing from the wrong angle.

Reeza's List A average is superior, and he's opened virtually throughout, with the rest batting more lower down the order than they opened before being picked for internationals. All the more reason why their stats were very bad initially.

Anyway you already know all of that but are arguing that way to frustrate. Fact is neither of them should've been opening for the Proteas in any format before Reeza did. Period!

http://goo.gl/wFay5n

 

[CL-West]

bla bla bla

You do realise he said 1000 right?...

Amazing how someone can shape an entire conversation to suite their agenda.

+1

 

[Bighit]

Once again stats don't lie. AB de Villiers is not a great Test player, and he won;t be at the end of his career.

An average of over 50 in tests, 2 double hundreds of which both were not out. Match winner? Definitely.

 

[Electric]

Even then Amla would struggle to be called a great though he's ahead of AB in both formats.

Why do I even bother to convince you guys, when Amla - a superior Test batsman(&ODI) than AB - would struggle to be regarded among the greats even from my standpoint, as well as many! From now on I'll only speak of Amla until AB reaches his heights!

WOW, you just talk BS like your mouth is your poop hole.

 

[ZCFOutkast]

Alviro averaged 24 the last 2 years of his test career! Where in the world of international cricket is that good enough to keep your place at the top of the batting order? I don't think he was forced. I think he put the needs of the team ahead of his own and did the honorable thing!

So you;re implying that AB should have kept opening and he would have come right?

AB de Villiers 1 January 2006 - 2 January 2008 over 2 years

21 Matches, 39 Innings, 982 Runs, 0 Centuries, 7 Half Centuries, 26.54 Average, 51.60 Strike Rate

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Kindly go through that list and get back to me about your Test great! Maybe then you'll understand why he can never be regarded as a great.

So "Mr Alviro is Bad" how on earth was AB not dropped in that period (same reason why Morne Morkel wasn't dropped hey). No way Amla would've survived in the team for that long with similarly embarrassing stats. We all know why AB stayed in the team - because Boucher was rubbish&worse, and AB was his backup within the XI, only younger and had shown promise earlier - promise that he failed to sustain for over two years after that!

Even if I become generous and spread the whole 3 years from 2006 - 2008 in full, he's still an average batsman. 3 years is a long time! Just 4 centuries in 59 innings over 35 Tests! http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

You guys are clutching at straws seriously!!! If I accept those kind of stats for a huge chunk of one's career as a great then who won't fit the bill?

 

[ZCFOutkast]

The way AB is spoken about so much, one would think he's a better Test batsman than Amla when he is definitely not!

 

[Neoprod]

*checks in, sees ZCF gangbang in progress, checks out*

 

[Bighit]

So you;re implying that AB should have kept opening and he would have come right?
AB de Villiers 1 January 2006 - 2 January 2008 over 2 years

I notice that you've ended your selected stat period just before South Africa beat the Ozzies Away and then at Home in a test series.

 

[CL-West]

I notice that you've ended your selected stat period just before South Africa beat the Ozzies Away and then at Home in a test series.

Because he is selective in his wording to suite his own needs.

Go through his post in other threads as well. He is like that all over, he ignores post where he is shown to be incorrect as well.

 

[ZCFOutkast]

I notice that you've ended your selected stat period just before South Africa beat the Ozzies Away and then at Home in a test series.

So then? There no careful selection in 24+ months whichever way you want to swing it. Quit being desperate. FYI I did stretch it to 3 years in the next paragraph. Even then he's stats over that period (3 full years), are not something of a great. That's more Azhar Ali/Asad Shafiq kind of stats! far from great.

The fact is he's had a purple patch lately, just like it happened to Sachin towards then end of his career, and just like Kallis too. Difference is AB is much younger, he can continue in his rich vein of form.

Unfortunately, like I said, he won't have enough Tests away in those lands to rectify his poor records there, and even if he continues as good as he is now - so are Mathews, Williamson, Root, Ballance, Kohli, Shehzad, Steve Smith etc one of whom may even be ranked higher than AB by the end of 2015! AB will just be making up the numbers of among great youngsters!

 

[Bighit]

It's no secret that AB's worst period was between those two seasons, but 2 out 10 seasons is still 20%. That's not even a pass in South African matric standards! I'm not saying that AB is better than Amla, what I'm saying is that AB is a great test player which ZCF says his not, that is what I'm disputing.

 

[ZCFOutkast]

Because he is selective in his wording to suite his own needs.

Go through his post in other threads as well. He is like that all over, he ignores post where he is shown to be incorrect as well.

You're being silly too. I included a full 3 year period with that tour. Still average. Next time you must read properly. anyway it shows you're being highly desperate when you're trying to include just a month of cricket against a 24 month argument!

 

[Bighit]

Even then he's stats over that period (3 full years)

2005: 53
2006: 27
2007: 27
2008: 59

 

[Bighit]

I hereby submit my 2 year period as well:

2012: 75
2013: 82

 

[Bighit]

I also want to include this stat

Most Selected in World Test XI
Jacques Kallis 6
Kumar Sangakkara 6
Dale Steyn 6
AB de Villiers 5
Hashim Amla 4
Ricky Ponting 4

 

[stefan9]

So then? There no careful selection in 24+ months whichever way you want to swing it. Quit being desperate. FYI I did stretch it to 3 years in the next paragraph. Even then he's stats over that period (3 full years), are not something of a great. That's more Azhar Ali/Asad Shafiq kind of stats! far from great.

The fact is he's had a purple patch lately, just like it happened to Sachin towards then end of his career, and just like Kallis too. Difference is AB is much younger, he can continue in his rich vein of form.

Unfortunately, like I said, he won't have enough Tests away in those lands to rectify his poor records there, and even if he continues as good as he is now - so are Mathews, Williamson, Root, Ballance, Kohli, Shehzad, Steve Smith etc one of whom may even be ranked higher than AB by the end of 2015! AB will just be making up the numbers of among great youngsters!

Are we seriously including root and balance who have done nothing against any decent attack in tests?? The only runs those 2 scored have been against the pop gun attacks of sri lanka and india in england.

 

[ZCFOutkast]

It's no secret that AB's worst period was between those two seasons, but 2 out 10 seasons is still 20%. That's not even a pass in South African matric standards! I'm not saying that AB is better than Amla, what I'm saying is that AB is a great test player which ZCF says his not, that is what I'm disputing.

That;s the problem. You guys think I'm saying AB is not great. He is. He looks&sounds like a great guy, and he's a phenomenal batsman. One of my favourite to watch among the current batsmen. But is he among the greatest? Not a chance! I can ask you to tell me the most defining knock of his, and at the tp of your head you wouldn't even be able to come up with one. Ask me about Smith, Prince, Faf, JP, Amla, Kallis&Gibbs and I'll tell you at least two straight away. AB is myth which people are in danger of reducing him to a flavour of the month if they don;t dissect his career fairly. Stop abusing the word great. He's anything but!

2005: 53
2006: 27
2007: 27
2008: 59

Still it's no secret that AB debuts in 2004 reaches a fastest milestone by 2005, then disappears and only resurfaces in the list for fastest to 5000 in 2011. Do the math. Even guys like Hussey, KP, Bell, Amla, Samaraweera, Mahela & Yousuff batting same period&generally same position as him did it quicker. If AB was really great for those 6/7 years then why isn't he higher in the list? That's a pretty long time. AB is only blowing up in the last 3/4 years. So have many other players.

 

[ZCFOutkast]

Are we seriously including root and balance who have done nothing against any decent attack in tests?? The only runs those 2 scored have been against the pop gun attacks of sri lanka and india in england.

Not necessarily, and you can add Shehzad (and Monimul from Bangladesh) to that because they are still fresh.

The point is anyone can have a start as good as AB. They can also tail of for a very long time like AB, then have a purple patch much later. That was my point. May players have th epotential to mirror him.

How many years has Mathews been playing cricket? Yet only now he's a brilliant. Even selected to captain greats. Plus he;s an allrounder. None of AB's years are as good as Mathews' best. That;s the point I'm making.

Ab has plenty of average periods, and his best years in cricket is far behind the best of many others e.g. Stev Smith now, and Kane Williamson will surely blow AB away by the end of 2015! That's my point. Get it? So what exactly is AB great in that pretty much everyone hasn't surpassed? be practical and factual.