Sign up with GoogleOk, but one page back, you said "AB de Villiers is not a great Test player, and he won;t be at the end of his career. " With regards to his knock that sticks out, do you not remember South Africa's first test victory in Australia after a lot of years?
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You are the one that needs to read, his argument was for 1000, which you completely ignore and showed other stats to suite your agenda.
Just as you have ignore the post where I pointed it out.
So practise what you preach cupcake
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Anyway I'll say no more. I' m a keen follower of cricket and I think I'm doing an injustice to Amla by maintainging an argument about a player who has been falsely raised above his true abilities. This is my last post on AB's thread. I have absolutely no doubt that my sentiments will still ring true at the end of his career.
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Let's see what one Brian Lara had to say, and this was before AB's recent demolition jobs;
http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/n...achin-tendulkar-alastair-cook-and-west-indies
http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/n...achin-tendulkar-alastair-cook-and-west-indies
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I am thankful to whoever reminded me of the ignore function. Just a pity that the okes continue to quote the reams of garbage posted.
My 2c: AB and Amla have to be the nicest okes in world cricket at the mo, and have excellent averages to go with that.
1/2c: zfc is the biggest racist on the board and should be banned...
My 2c: AB and Amla have to be the nicest okes in world cricket at the mo, and have excellent averages to go with that.
1/2c: zfc is the biggest racist on the board and should be banned...
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I want LancealotSA back. I can't understand how he's banned but this guy isn't...
I do not think "race" discussions will help any in this regard...
Surely ZFC would like more promising talents of colour be given the equality as other players, and that I get and in a lot of cases agree, but at the end there is only that many games a year and only so little space available..... "racist" is such a strong word... hehe
In current form AB is a "great" in my opinion, regardless of his records 5 years ago, he does not play on history but current form, and that is what is exciting cause there are plenty players chasing him atm, kohli, smith, Williams.... time will tell if he can sustain his performance for many more seasons to come... I for one hope he can do it, and for SA best interest we all should as well...
And ofc # is a "great" of the current times as well, which in all fairness does not seam to get the same recognition that AB does, that I suppose is what ZFC is reasoning as well; but should AB be blamed for it or the fans/media? Should we as the fans get "irritated" by it or enjoy the rich form some of our players are in currently supporting them and not speak of their failures as if it already happened?
Surely ZFC would like more promising talents of colour be given the equality as other players, and that I get and in a lot of cases agree, but at the end there is only that many games a year and only so little space available..... "racist" is such a strong word... hehe
In current form AB is a "great" in my opinion, regardless of his records 5 years ago, he does not play on history but current form
, and that is what is exciting cause there are plenty players chasing him atm, kohli, smith, Williams.... time will tell if he can sustain his performance for many more seasons to come... I for one hope he can do it, and for SA best interest we all should as well...And ofc # is a "great" of the current times as well, which in all fairness does not seam to get the same recognition that AB does, that I suppose is what ZFC is reasoning as well; but should AB be blamed for it or the fans/media? Should we as the fans get "irritated" by it or enjoy the rich form some of our players are in currently supporting them and not speak of their failures as if it already happened?
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Nobody said AB is better than #, AB is just a more exciting player, but # is equally as good and just as AB he will go down as one of the all time greats. This thread's name is AB De Villiers and and not Hashim Amla. If ZFC want to praise Amla, then he can go and create a thread for him.
But polluting this thread with his constant garbage is getting a little tiresome now.
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Once again stats don't lie.
Get back to me when you;re done searching for him the lists for fastest to:
2000 runs
3000 runs
4000 runs
But he does make an appearance at 5000 runs. And he's still behind players like Hussey&Bell whom you'd argue are lesser than him
I don't know why you try to make this an argument. AB de Villiers is not a great Test player, and he won;t be at the end of his career. To achieve that, SA would have to play plenty Tests, many away so he can right his record, he'd have to be incredibly consistent, and QdK had better be good enough to prevent Ab from keeping and injuring himself further reducing his games.
Face it and let's move on instead of arguing with it. After Smith&Kallis, the next best potential great is Amla. Period! At least he's been ahead of Smith (&ABdV) in Tests, forget ODIs where he pretty much sits alone. Even then Amla would struggle to be called a great though he's ahead of AB in both formats.
Why do I even bother to convince you guys, when Amla - a superior Test batsman(&ODI) than AB - would struggle to be regarded among the greats even from my standpoint, as well as many! From now on I'll only speak of Amla until AB reaches his heights!
Apparently AB being the 22nd fastest in history to 7000 test runs is not good enough. The only SA players who were slightly faster were Smith and Kallis who batted at the top of the order for their entire careers.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283185.html
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Garbage cannot go unchallenged!
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Not good enough!! Drop him!!
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If you believe Sehwag, Younis Khan, Mohama Yousuf and Michael Clarke are "Test greats" then suit yourself!
Personally I hardly ever hear anyone speak of them as true greats of Ponting, Lara etc class.One thing is certain Williamson, Kohli, Smith, Root, Ballance and other allcomers will bump AB way down that list as the are brutally doing progressively as it is.
Considering how highly AB is rated, I've always wondered where you guys place Graeme Smith because he's not and will not be considered among those alltime greats, yet he's had a Test career superior to AB's at the same stage of their careers, and the impact they've had on the Proteas' fortunates cannot be compared. Smith is miles ahead. More often than not, his mood decided whether we won, lost or draw - more than Kallis even.
Anyway I said I wouldn't be posting further on this thread so I shouldn;t be...
True that perhaps Smith does not have the same fan base as AB, but he certainly is considered a "great" of the game, and that is not only my opinion, but of many around the world... Ian Botham to be one of them quotes 'South African skipper bows out as one of the greats of Test cricket...' link
Mmm, not sure if I can post this here and if I should create a new thread for G Smith to make a reply?
Mmm, not sure if I can post this here and if I should create a new thread for G Smith to make a reply?
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If you believe Sehwag, Younis Khan, Mohama Yousuf and Michael Clarke are "Test greats" then suit yourself!
One thing is certain Williamson, Kohli, Smith, Root, Ballance and other allcomers will bump AB way down that list as the are brutally doing progressively as it is.
Considering how highly AB is rated, I've always wondered where you guys place Graeme Smith because he's not and will not be considered among those alltime greats, yet he's had a Test career superior to AB's at the same stage of their careers, and the impact they've had on the Proteas' fortunates cannot be compared. Smith is miles ahead. More often than not, his mood decided whether we won, lost or draw - more than Kallis even.
Anyway I said I wouldn't be posting further on this thread so I shouldn;t be...
In your previous post you used the fastest to 2000, 3000, 4000 test runs to say AB isn't great because he is not on those lists. i.e. the lists are all important.
Now you're saying there are guys on the lists that are not regarded as greats. So in other words the lists are now meaningless.
You can't have both