Albereth
Honorary Master
Sorry, my bad. Trying to keep fingers in all the pages and something slipped, like a brain disk LOL.
And Fivaz is also trying to align himself for his private ventures.
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Sorry, my bad. Trying to keep fingers in all the pages and something slipped, like a brain disk LOL.
And Fivaz is also trying to align himself for his private ventures.
Albereth
Honorary Master
Then your arguement should be about how they have reduced OC, not what each case has cost.
The point about OC is that it is organised. Resources will be spent to find loopholes in law, to bribe and corrpt officials, to pay off judges, to curry favour with politicians. There is an awful lot of this activity that isn't 'criminal' in that sense. Companies do break the law by offering incentives to politicians to vote a certain way on arms deals, but they aren't necessarily 'criminals' in the mafia sense.
The Scorpions are dealing with OC by going after Selebi and Agliotti. But they are also going after the institutional criminals in Zuma and Shaik.
This is such a hard pill to swallow. Many government departments and thousands of individuals have failed, with no action. Something is fishy when the government spends so much of it's resources to close a unit down that investigates it's own.
I just looked it up in the NPA annual report, and they have seized around R 700 million, and though it may seems a lot. If we take the Kebble case, purely becuase it is fresh in my mind, that was billions, in one case. Clearly they are making a dent, however small, IMO, it may be.
And the funny thing is that you sounded like Charles Nqaqula in your post, saying we have made an impact in crime, albeit, the levels are unacceptably high.
ALL those resources to bust just a couple of guys? In my mind it does not make sense.
dlk001
Executive Member
But they also need to deal and eradicate the OC like car Hijacking that is costing innocent lives daily. They need to use their resources to track down the mafia that controls the syndicates.
Albereth
Honorary Master
And the funny thing is that you sounded like Charles Nqaqula in your post, saying we have made an impact in crime, albeit, the levels are unacceptably high.
Ouch.
But I never made a comment about the size of the dent. Just trying to debate the cost per case vs income issue.
Cut the head off and maybe the whole organisation collapses?
Albereth
Honorary Master
Maybe the SAPS have a task team that deals with this? I don't know but I would hope that there is some communication about who operates in what sphere.
To the best of my knowledge, that is the Scorpions are there for, organised crime like drug, hijacking syndicates and the like. However their focus has been on white collar crime, that does affect us, but does not really strike fear in our hearts, and is not cuasing people (and their skills), to leave in droves.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
The role of the Scorpions is being underplayed. However, try to make such comments about the SAPS and they are immediately shot down as treasonous lies.
Its easy to manipulate the statistics for your own benefit.
Its easy to manipulate the statistics for your own benefit.
Ady
Expert Member
IMO the scorpions have done their job, if it was not for them we would never have known about Selebi etc. If they were left alone to do their job they might have done much better.
dlk001
Executive Member
However their focus has been on white collar crime, that does affect us, but does not really strike fear in our hearts, and is not cuasing people (and their skills), to leave in droves.
The OC crime committed by hijacking syndicates is costing SA more than Shaik, Selebi, Zuma, Kebble. Scorpions should have been using their innovative minds and complex resources to work on closing down these syndicates.
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
To the best of my knowledge, that is the Scorpions are there for, organised crime like drug, hijacking syndicates and the like. However their focus has been on white collar crime, that does affect us, but does not really strike fear in our hearts, and is not cuasing people (and their skills), to leave in droves.
Incorrect - the rot starts at the top, once you sort that out it is easier to sort the rest out. Obviously the ANC don't like this (being the rot). How do you sort out a crime syndicate if your Commissioner is feeding them with information?
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
This thread should be titled: "Admit it, the ANC has failed".
What other syndicates, other than Aglioti's drug one, did he supply info to? The point I'm trying to get at is that is it the only one in SA? Surely not.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Touche!
Ou grote
Honorary Master
Er, they have been stopped.
When and where? They are still operational. And every case they have investigated, they have issued arrest warrants and the people are currently in court (in some form or another).