Adobeflash now on iPhone, iPad

ToxicWazte said:
I'm an Android user (HTC Desire), and I have no problems with Flash content. My phone doesn't struggle, or die. Battery life seems unaffected for my usage pattern. Mostly it is used for embedded Youtube/Vimeo/Facebook etc videos in news articles and blog posts. I have freedom. I quite like the iPhone 4 as well, but it does not give me the same freedom and choice as Android. Not a train smash if I didn't have flash, but having the freedom to choose is way cooler.

As per seeing the web with adverts, I prefer it this way - don't really mind. We've really moved on from the ugly flashing adverts, scareware, trickware, malware, popups, etc of the late 90's and early 00's. I couldn't care less if the adverts were flash-based or PNG or GIF. I often do click on adverts if they interest me, and have found some really good companies, online stores, and specials. Also found a crap-load of other nonsense, but those are dealt with swiftly, painlessly. I tried using ad-blockers and flash-blockers, but the whole web experience just seemed emptier.

The internet without Flash or adverts, is like driving through JHB with no taxis. It just wouldn't be the same, less colourful, more monotonous, arguably more peaceful.

In any case, point is, you should be given the freedom choose.
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I think Arstechnica did an investigation where they compared a MacBook Air's battery life before installing Flash and afterwards. It decreased battery life by 3 hours.
And no, if you give people the choice, they will will make the wrong choice, and enable flash (Without having a good reason) and blame Apple for the poor user experience.
If a person really wants flash, they are free to use any other phone. But most clearly aren't that committed to Flash
 
And in related news... Pretty good read here http://gigaom.com/apple/the-day-apple-won-the-flash-fight/ 'tho the headline and content will have the Flash-boys jumping up and down.

Adobe announced its new Flash Media Server 4.5 late Thursday afternoon, and it’s an iteration Apple device owners should be very happy about. For the first time, Flash Media Server now enables same-source video delivery to both Apple devices and Adobe Flash-compatible destinations. Basically, Adobe is acknowledging Apple has won when it comes to Flash.

The new version of Flash Media Server will repackage content automatically for Apple’s mobile products, which lack Flash support, and implement HTTP Dynamic Streaming or HTTP Live Streaming, both of which are compatible with iOS. In theory, that should allow iOS to have its cake and eat it too, meaning future Flash content will playback on iOS devices, without the slowdowns and battery drain that are part of what made the technology unappealing to Apple to begin with.

Basically, Adobe is making changes to Flash Media Server in order to once again make it an appealing option for video publishers, by serving their actual needs instead of struggling with Apple in an unproductive either/or relationship. It’s something Adobe has been doing across its product lineup lately, with its Flex and Flash Builder tools for apps, and also with the Adobe Digital Publishing suite for digital magazine publications.

Adobe will continue to offer Flash, of course, but this is a clear acknowledgement that different solutions are necessary for the growing category of mobile video, which is dominated by Apple devices. Apple called this future, refused to waver, and now Adobe is wisely bending in response in order to remain relevant. While this is incontestably a win for Apple, it’s also a big step forward for Adobe, since now content producers and publishers won’t have to look elsewhere in order to serve the entire mobile market.
 
JStrike said:
Well, the iPhone 4 is the best selling smartphone and the iPhone 3GS is the second biggest selling. Seems people quite like Apple making sensible decisions for them....
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That's going nothing to with with Apple making "sensible" decisions for them. It's because the iPhone is pretty. Period.
 
Good Adobe (another product with 1000 updates) but its a killer price tag. And this just so that Apple users (which mostly don't even know what flash is) will be able to see it?!
 
So we get flash without the battery drain, right? Sounds good, wonder if they will allow us to not make use of this? I am pretty happy with the way my phone browses.
 
damn i thought they had finally laid that cpu hungry monster of a code to rest. long live html 5. :D
 
Lydon said:
That's going nothing to with with Apple making "sensible" decisions for them. It's because the iPhone is pretty. Period.
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Wow, you know why millions of people make their decisions. Thats amazing
 
JStrike said:
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If Samsung hadn't deliberately tried to make their phone and OS look exactly like the iPhone there wouldn't be a problem. The Windows mobile phones dont look like exact copies. Just the Samsung. Hell, they even have one with a metal band around it now
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This argument of yours is like which came first,the chicken or the egg......the reality is apple "copied" alot of design features from lots of companies,go look at the lg prada etc etc etc....my point is that everyone else could have also abused these kinds of things and not allowed apple to even make a touch screen bar phone but the reality is they did make a touch phone and a good one so we as consumers win and technology advances rapidly and consumers get good looking products with great functionality in the future.

Apple is abusing patents because they are scared samsung is stealing market share from them.Period.
 
Every Tom, Dick and Harry is trying to copy Apple these days!!! Hell the Chinese have even published crib autobiographies on Steve Jobs!! It's no wonder they become patent obsessed...
 
falcon786 said:
This argument of yours is like which came first,the chicken or the egg......the reality is apple "copied" alot of design features from lots of companies,go look at the lg prada etc etc etc....my point is that everyone else could have also abused these kinds of things and not allowed apple to even make a touch screen bar phone but the reality is they did make a touch phone and a good one so we as consumers win and technology advances rapidly and consumers get good looking products with great functionality in the future.

Apple is abusing patents because they are scared samsung is stealing market share from them.Period.
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Apple might have copied various design features from various companies over the ages. However, the combination of design features they chose, is being copied directly. Samsung is going out of their way to produce phones and tablets that look exactly like iPhones and iPads
 
JStrike said:
Apple might have copied various design features from various companies over the ages. However, the combination of design features they chose, is being copied directly. Samsung is going out of their way to produce phones and tablets that look exactly like iPhones and iPads
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You see thats how we all know you a fanboi and we wont take you seriously......your sentence should read more like:"Apple DEFINITELY HAS copied various....."

I'm not a fan boy of any sort,i once owned an iphone or two(the first and the 3gs)and they are great phones,I especially love the design and build quality of the iphone 4 ,but at the same time I can see the flaws a product/company have.Dont be blinded by apple.
 
falcon786 said:
Apple is abusing patents because they are scared samsung is stealing market share from them.Period.
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Abusing patents? Isn't what Apple is doing exactly what patents are meant for?

And just as a side note, the case against Samsung is about more than patents.
 
falcon786 said:
You see thats how we all know you a fanboi and we wont take you seriously......your sentence should read more like:"Apple DEFINITELY HAS copied various....."

I'm not a fan boy of any sort,i once owned an iphone or two(the first and the 3gs)and they are great phones,I especially love the design and build quality of the iphone 4 ,but at the same time I can see the flaws a product/company have.Dont be blinded by apple.
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Well done, you didn't address the point I made, you just made a ad hominem attack instead
 
JStrike said:
Apple might have copied various design features from various companies over the ages. However, the combination of design features they chose, is being copied directly. Samsung is going out of their way to produce phones and tablets that look exactly like iPhones and iPads
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JStrike said:
Well done, you didn't address the point I made, you just made a ad hominem attack instead
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Hmm not the same aspect ratio,one is meant to be used vertically and the other horizontally.
That was "honestly" the first thing that came to mind when i just googled pics of the two now.

They did copy the black surrounds and rounded edges,but my point is these are not so unique features like say using a special pearlescent paint etc...its just piano gloss black which is used in countless digital toys.Its something very common in the tech world.

Also rounded edges have been in use in laptop screens for ages no so they are both essentially just refined laptop screens with touch and a processor....nothing so revolutionary that you could patent to be seen here....
 
falcon786 said:
Hmm not the same aspect ratio,one is meant to be used vertically and the other horizontally.
That was "honestly" the first thing that came to mind when i just googled pics of the two now.

They did copy the black surrounds and rounded edges,but my point is these are not so unique features like say using a special pearlescent paint etc...its just piano gloss black which is used in countless digital toys.Its something very common in the tech world.

Also rounded edges have been in use in laptop screens for ages no so they are both essentially just refined laptop screens with touch and a processor....nothing so revolutionary that you could patent to be seen here....
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If you take each thing on an individual basis, no, I also wouldn't count it as blatant copying. But when you look at all the things combined, it adds up to products designed to look eerily similar to the iPhone and iPad. And they had many different design options, they didn't have to copy the dozens of factors that went into what makes up the iPhone/iPad look and feel.
Just look at the icons alone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-these-obvious-samsung-rip-offs-of-iphone-icons-2011-4
Sure, there might be valid reasons to choose each one on a individual basis, but taken as a whole, they are ripping Apple off
 
and i bet you that iphone5 will ditch the stupid icons and go for resizable widgets in the new OS...
Maybe google needs to patent those?
 
I propose a ban (or at least a strike) for anybody that derails a thread with stupid flame-wars! (In this case it was post #13) Any seconds?
 
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