Afrihost Business Uncapped Feedback - 2

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How do the other ISPs cope?

There isn't anything to cope with, if you aren't using that capacity you're basically paying for bandwidth that you aren't using.

I've seen some ISPs offer additional data during those hours, and some unshape their Uncapped and Semi-Shaped Capped accounts.

Obviously something like Streaming needs to happen on-demand when the User wants to watch a series or movie, or their favourite gamer online. This is something we've been talking about in the Social Media Office the past few days.
 
Oh - a good way to use that period would be for instance having a CDN in your data center and updating it during those hours - BUT that doesn't help your IPC usage. So no, there's no real good way to get 100% efficient utilisation of your most expensive resource, unfortunately.
 
I do want to ask, what do you think would be a good way to incentivizing users to move their P2P / NNTP downloads to off-peak times - between 22h00 and 07h00 - since this tends to be a period that we see a significant drop in network traffic.

If this is your response to the problem, I am definitely jumping ship. It is not what I was promised when I signed up for this account. Why should I keep on paying a premium for an account that is "guaranteed" to be superior, when it has now, for my purposes, become an after-hours-only account?

I too am demanding compensation for the lack of service delivery. This is not a favour I am asking. You have failed to provide the service you have been paid for, and are therefore obliged to compensate users for that. We are not your colleagues who should "work with you" to find a solution to your problem; we are are clients paying a high price for a "superior" service that we are not receiving.
 
Human nature dictates that people want instant gratification. They want it, they want it now. They're paying for it, so why should they wait? This explains the streaming growth as well. I don't see a good way of incentivising moving download times - at the end of the day the decision for me to schedule my downloads comes from a sense of responsibility, not an incentive (unless you consider a smooth running network an incentive. I do. Others don't - they view it as a right). You're not going to find that in all your users - and your business model needs to cater for the psychology of your users as well. You need to buy, plan and price for peak capacity, and the times your network are underutilised are unfortunate for you but you have to carry the loss. Eskom have excess generation capacity at 3am, but you don't see them calling for you to cook your breakfast then (as much as I'm sure they'd like to).



Yeah, enjoying the engagement too. ;)

Your comment about not dropping pricing recently isn't really relevant. My comment was in response to a desire expressed by you to drop prices in order to induce Telkom to do the same.



Unfortunately I think you're fighting against the entrenched entitlement culture that seems to be plaguing our country at the moment. I pay more for my internet connection than Afrihost charges. I know many people who see the price I pay and say "ooo no, that's out of my budget, Afrihost is xxx amount cheaper, I'm going with them" and then they complain about the performance while I'm streaming 1080p at 8pm. People must understand that you get what you pay for. You can't buy an M3 for citi golf money.

One way that you can utilize your additional power capacity is something like This. Eskom has a similar setup in the Drakensberg. So there are definitely creative ways to allowing you to utilize spare capacity.

We most definitely plan our capacity on our Client's usage patterns, but unfortunately we can't vary the amount of IPC capacity depending on the time of day - even though it would be awesome to be able to do so. And we'll strive to ensure that each one of our Users has the best possible experience whenever they use their connection.
 
Pity your Live Chat Support never seems to work either, it then gives me an option to email, and then you never hear a word.

The LiveChat team is available for Accounts, ADSL and Mobile Data queries from 08h00 to 17h00 during the week, I believe Hosting assistance is available for most of the day.

When have you tried to connect? If you are consistently having issues connecting with our LiveChat Team it is definitely something I want to follow-up on.
 
If this is your response to the problem, I am definitely jumping ship. It is not what I was promised when I signed up for this account. Why should I keep on paying a premium for an account that is "guaranteed" to be superior, when it has now, for my purposes, become an after-hours-only account?

I too am demanding compensation for the lack of service delivery. This is not a favour I am asking. You have failed to provide the service you have been paid for, and are therefore obliged to compensate users for that. We are not your colleagues who should "work with you" to find a solution to your problem; we are are clients paying a high price for a "superior" service that we are not receiving.

Our Business Uncapped accounts are there to ensure that you get the best possible service when you need it, at any time of the day. I was simply asking a hypothetical question, I was by no means implying that you should change your internet usage habits. You should get the performance out of your connection that you want. :)

And if you are not getting that performance then we need to look into why this is happening.
 
One way that you can utilize your additional power capacity is something like This. Eskom has a similar setup in the Drakensberg. So there are definitely creative ways to allowing you to utilize spare capacity.

We most definitely plan our capacity on our Client's usage patterns, but unfortunately we can't vary the amount of IPC capacity depending on the time of day - even though it would be awesome to be able to do so. And we'll strive to ensure that each one of our Users has the best possible experience whenever they use their connection.

I know about pumped storage - the CDN node is the equivalent in the internet space. But, the CDN node sits on the opposite side of the choke-point from the customer. Your hands are tied by Telkom. I know this too. Deep down, you also know this - you can't live in denial of it. The reality is, you need to buy IPC for your peak needs and it IS going to go wasted during off peak hours. And THAT means that price drops are unsustainable (until IPC price drops, as I mentioned earlier, or other last-mile players come into the game)
 
Yeah, enjoying the engagement too. ;)

Your comment about not dropping pricing recently isn't really relevant. My comment was in response to a desire expressed by you to drop prices in order to induce Telkom to do the same.

Unfortunately I think you're fighting against the entrenched entitlement culture that seems to be plaguing our country at the moment. I pay more for my internet connection than Afrihost charges. I know many people who see the price I pay and say "ooo no, that's out of my budget, Afrihost is xxx amount cheaper, I'm going with them" and then they complain about the performance while I'm streaming 1080p at 8pm. People must understand that you get what you pay for. You can't buy an M3 for citi golf money.

I think it gets complex though. There are certainly some aspirational brands that will say the price is the price, but we can guarantee X experience. I don't think we want to fall into that category as it's more niche and doesn't really influence the market. My feeling is that the broadband space was very much like this before we disrupted the market and we've seen so much change in terms of price, the volume of data, etc. I can't say the we did it all, but we certainly contributed to an acceleration of change in the market or arrived at a Tipping point with changing behaviour, etc

Every market is seeing disruption, the way Facebook changed the way brands advertise (and where they spend); Tesla cars in the luxury automobile market (overseas anyway), etc etc.

With regard to the entitlement culture, that is something that is causing massive debate. You could argue that this is behind every major social issue we're seeing from loadshedding to statues. Having recently been to the US again, I feel like we're still in the infancy of achieving a balance between consumer rights and sustainable business. This is an important conversation to have, and where it will take place and who will drive will be very interesting.
 
I know about pumped storage - the CDN node is the equivalent in the internet space. But, the CDN node sits on the opposite side of the choke-point from the customer. Your hands are tied by Telkom. I know this too. Deep down, you also know this - you can't live in denial of it. The reality is, you need to buy IPC for your peak needs and it IS going to go wasted during off peak hours. And THAT means that price drops are unsustainable (until IPC price drops, as I mentioned earlier, or other last-mile players come into the game)

Very very true. I do want to point out that all of our planning is based around accommodating our Client usage patterns and making sure that even during peak times each User has the best possible experience.

Sadly, I think we're unlikely to see a significant drop in IPC anytime soon, but in this regard I hope Telkom proves me wrong!

As you pointed out, the expanding Fibre back-bones do offer the best hope of getting around the Telkom IPC, but until the roll-out and availability is improved significantly there won't be much change.

On a side-bar, I missed out the initial coverage of Fibre in Centurion by about 250m. :(
 
The LiveChat team is available for Accounts, ADSL and Mobile Data queries from 08h00 to 17h00 during the week, I believe Hosting assistance is available for most of the day.

When have you tried to connect? If you are consistently having issues connecting with our LiveChat Team it is definitely something I want to follow-up on.

I tried to connect with Accounts about an hour ago, cannot connect and asks me to email. Which I did. But previously I have had the same issues
 
I tried to connect with Accounts about an hour ago, cannot connect and asks me to email. Which I did. But previously I have had the same issues

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That's not cool at all. You should definitely not be having any issues connecting at the moment. Was a ticket reference number generated? Alternatively, can you please send me a PM with the Email Address that you entered at the start of the LiveChat Session.

I can also help with any Accounts Queries that you may have.
 
Our Business Uncapped accounts are there to ensure that you get the best possible service when you need it, at any time of the day. I was simply asking a hypothetical question, I was by no means implying that you should change your internet usage habits. You should get the performance out of your connection that you want.

Why then even ask this "hypothetical question" in a forum dedicated to the Business account?

And if you are not getting that performance then we need to look into why this is happening.

For the past week, I have spent an inordinate amount of time and energy on correspondence with your Support staff, as well as on this forum and in private messages. Nothing has improved and there has been no feedback. How much more time do you need to "look into why this is happening", particularly since my case by no means appears to be unique?

Perhaps this gives you a clue: last night my downloads jumped to full speed at precisely the same time as the previous night: 10:32pm. This was not a gradual increase; it was as if a switch had been flicked. Despite all your protestations that there is no shaping on this account, that certainly is what it looks like from the user's perspective.
 
Why then even ask this "hypothetical question" in a forum dedicated to the Business account?



For the past week, I have spent an inordinate amount of time and energy on correspondence with your Support staff, as well as on this forum and in private messages. Nothing has improved and there has been no feedback. How much more time do you need to "look into why this is happening", particularly since my case by no means appears to be unique?

Perhaps this gives you a clue: last night my downloads jumped to full speed at precisely the same time as the previous night: 10:32pm. This was not a gradual increase; it was as if a switch had been flicked. Despite all your protestations that there is no shaping on this account, that certainly is what it looks like from the user's perspective.

:(

I do need to apologize, I could definitely have kept you more up to date from my side.

I just want to reiterate that your account is definitely unshaped, and we are looking into this from our side, your account should be running at the full speed at all times.
 
I just want to reiterate that your account is definitely unshaped, and we are looking into this from our side, your account should be running at the full speed at all times.

My account as such is running at full speed at all times. Please don't waste time confirming that which I already know. It is the speed of NNTP downloads that is reduced to 10-20% during the day, suddenly jumps to full speed at a very specific time at night, and also runs full speed over weekends. If this is not some form of shaping or prioritisation, what can it possibly be?
 
My account as such is running at full speed at all times. Please don't waste time confirming that which I already know. It is the speed of NNTP downloads that is reduced to 10-20% during the day, suddenly jumps to full speed at a very specific time at night, and also runs full speed over weekends. If this is not some form of shaping or prioritisation, what can it possibly be?

By full speed, I meant that no matter which service you access or use, that service should be running at the fullest possible speed that your account allows.

Are you also seeing a drop in P2P traffic when your NNTP speeds drop out?
 
There isn't anything to cope with, if you aren't using that capacity you're basically paying for bandwidth that you aren't using.

I've seen some ISPs offer additional data during those hours, and some unshape their Uncapped and Semi-Shaped Capped accounts.

Obviously something like Streaming needs to happen on-demand when the User wants to watch a series or movie, or their favourite gamer online. This is something we've been talking about in the Social Media Office the past few days.

Clearly there is something to cope with if you guys aren't coping, this many clients complaining about gaming and streaming on a premium service does not look like coping. There are other threads on other forums where people are asking for advice on which ISP to choose and the majority of people warn against Afrihost. On MyGaming I think it is that someone created a thread to warn people not to use Afrihost if you plan on gaming because of the quality of the real time services.
 
By full speed, I meant that no matter which service you access or use, that service should be running at the fullest possible speed that your account allows.
Sorry, I didn't express myself well. I meant that in your troubleshooting, it would be a waste of time to confirm that my connectivity as such is fine; it is NNTP in particular that is affected.

Are you also seeing a drop in P2P traffic when your NNTP speeds drop out?
I hardly ever use P2P, so I can't reliably comment on that. I did try to download a torrent the other day and it was extremely slow, despite there being many seeders, so I gave up.
 
Sorry, I didn't express myself well. I meant that in your troubleshooting, it would be a waste of time to confirm that my connectivity as such is fine; it is NNTP in particular that is affected.


I hardly ever use P2P, so I can't reliably comment on that. I did try to download a torrent the other day and it was extremely slow, despite there being many seeders, so I gave up.

Thanks, that does actually help a lot. I'm going to make a few changes and alterations to your account, so things may get a bit wonky for the next few minutes.
 
Thanks, that does actually help a lot. I'm going to make a few changes and alterations to your account, so things may get a bit wonky for the next few minutes.

What changes would that be, considering that all business accounts are already unshaped?
 
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