Afrihost New Network Feedback - Part 2

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Could not open any websites at 1AM. Connected with my WA account which worked fine for all websites except Afrihost's own website...my third day on Afrihost's network!
 
Brother is struggling to update his xbox one over a wired connection, not sure how to test that.

Are all downloads slow, or just the console update itself?
Any results from the speedtest app? Probably isn't called speedtest, but I seem to remember a bandwidth tester being available somewhere in the settings?
 
So, YouTube was totally dead just now - no images loaded or video (and sometimes not even the stylesheet). Drive also behaved weirdly.

I ended up having to flush my router's DNS resolver cache as well as my PC cache. Instant fix when the new IPs were pulled.

Seems the TTL on these entries are set to 30 minutes (if I look at all the googlevideo.com entries in my cache), and somehow a bad batch must have been dished out by Afrihost's DNS. (I'm sure if I left things for 30 minutes, it would have fixed itself.)

Wonder why this happened?

Still does not explain the patchy performance on older lesser watched videos though - tried watching one now again and it doesn't even start playing. https://youtu.be/TCJcrhFbKLY is one example. (Yeah, another obscure vid for your collection! :-))

Hhhmm, not seeing the actual page load might indicate something different though.
Video seems to be served from our cache if I check this morning.

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Hey AfriGuy

At 8:30pm today my connection went haywire for about 30 minutes and hasn't recovered :(
I started disconnecting non stop, I tried resetting multiple times but it took about half an hour for the disconnects to stop.

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Ping statistics for 155.239.255.250:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 90ms, Average = 90ms

Please help :(

Forgot to mention, before all this happened I had a stable ping of 10 to afrihost.com. My connection has been fine until 8:30pm today.

Pretty bleak results here :(
Ping to your exchange looks like it's causing the trouble, shoot me a PM with your line number and I'll run over a few options to see if I can get this fixed up for you.
 
Like I've said, Afrihost DNS servers experience outages, stale records and have inconsistent databases. One simple example is when users get name resolution errors in their browsers. When you switch back to Google DNS on the router, browsing functionality returns. This happened recently. Capped accounts are definitely shaped, especially when it comes to updates.

There is no doubt about this. If I update a system and the update takes hours to complete as opposed to the same update being downloaded manually within 10 minutes using a browser, common sense dictates that this is not normal behavior. In addition, when you have an update struggling to download via Afrihost's network and you change to another ISP, things normalize and the update download completes almost instantly.

If you open task manager on a Windows machine or Activity monitor on a MAC and you go to the network interface you can clearly see how Afrihost throttles the connection. Once again if I switch ISPs the connection runs at full speed all the time. This happens every time major/size-able updates are released by Microsoft or Apple.

Obviously the Afrihost network is under strain during these periods. The problem is - why do I pay for an unshaped service and then Afrihost shapes my connection. To say that Afrihost does not do shaping on a capped account is simply not true.

Is this something you've tested recently? I'm not aware of any recent DNS specific related issues from our end. Regarding shaping, I'm not really sure what else to say. If it was shaped, we'd say so and sell it as such.

If you're experiencing issues on the account I'd be happy to help, but would need to look at some data. If we really did shape Capped, this thread would be full of the same queries, and it isn't.
 
YouTube was pretty bad for earlier and it does seem to be related to the routing. I was buffering like crazy.
It changed earlier today and changed back after 1am

12pm yesterday
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Thanks for posting these detailed results, helps a lot :)
If content isn't on our cache it should pull from another. What was the previous destination IP? The results you posted here show the content is being served from us.
 
Youtube was just not working last night. I gave up and switched back to another ISP.

Websites also took forever to load.
Speed test showed that it was going fine, but it seems that web pages just took forever to start loading, but once it started it load it was fast.

If afrihost says that there is no load issues due to the R1, and that this is how their network is normally - then I'm going to have to back to my old ISP - the quality isn't great.

Saw a few trends across Social Media indicating strange issues.
Did you manage to grab any tests which indicate where the issue was though?
 
Could not open any websites at 1AM. Connected with my WA account which worked fine for all websites except Afrihost's own website...my third day on Afrihost's network!

Saw similar queries from last night.
Did you manage to grab any tests? I'll query updates from our Network team in the mean time to see what happened last night. Looking at Twitter, there was a spike in conversation at around 1am this morning.
 
Like I've said, Afrihost DNS servers experience outages, stale records and have inconsistent databases. One simple example is when users get name resolution errors in their browsers. When you switch back to Google DNS on the router, browsing functionality returns. This happened recently. Capped accounts are definitely shaped, especially when it comes to updates. There is no doubt about this. If I update a system and the update takes hours to complete as opposed to the same update being downloaded manually within 10 minutes using a browser, common sense dictates that this is not normal behavior. In addition, when you have an update struggling to download via Afrihost's network and you change to another ISP, things normalize and the update download completes almost instantly. If you open task manager on a Windows machine or Activity monitor on a MAC and you go to the network interface you can clearly see how Afrihost throttles the connection. Once again if I switch ISPs the connection runs at full speed all the time. This happens every time major/size-able updates are released by Microsoft or Apple. Obviously the Afrihost network is under strain during these periods. The problem is - why do I pay for an unshaped service and then Afrihost shapes my connection. To say that Afrihost does not do shaping on a capped account is simply not true.

I have changed my router config to the so called new Afrihost DNS servers this morning by setting the device to obtain DNS config automatically. I have also restarted everything. I am trying to update a Windows 10 system. The updates trickle in at a blistering 24 Kbps with a seldom random burst of 1 Mbps. I have a 20 Mbps line on a Afrihost capped account. I am astounded at how this company operates. The network status on the Afrihost website shows a bright green with a message - "Our DSL network is running like a bomb!" There is clearly not enough capacity to service elementary commitments to paying customers and yet they offer free internet to everybody! Initially we as customers told Afrihost that their partnership with MTN was a disaster and we were fobbed off. Fast forward to a couple of days ago and Afrihost is severing the MTN partnership. Customers tell Afrihost the network is broken and all we get is excuse after excuse. Things only change at Afrihost when critical mass is reached.
 
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Are you referring to when it went down for like 5 mins?

And then never reconnected until I had to restart my router in the morning. So much for that overnight download. First time I've ever had to manually reset my router to get a connection, normally it just reconnects.
As soon as the R1 promotion started, there's been problems. Hmmm... :whistle:
 
And then never reconnected until I had to restart my router in the morning. So much for that overnight download. First time I've ever had to manually reset my router to get a connection, normally it just reconnects.
As soon as the R1 promotion started, there's been problems. Hmmm... :whistle:
Again its a tough one, because i didnt even experience the downtime. Ive also not had any streaming issues, even though my speeds have gone down the crapper due to metallic noise.

Overall the promos have had no effect on me, and its been working well. Happy with Afrihost.
 
Saw similar queries from last night.
Did you manage to grab any tests? I'll query updates from our Network team in the mean time to see what happened last night. Looking at Twitter, there was a spike in conversation at around 1am this morning.

No sorry, was half asleep as I fell asleep on the couch and went to bed :p

EDIT: I did however test that it was not a DNS issue by using Google's servers
 
And then never reconnected until I had to restart my router in the morning. So much for that overnight download. First time I've ever had to manually reset my router to get a connection, normally it just reconnects.
As soon as the R1 promotion started, there's been problems. Hmmm... :whistle:

I really don't think there's much of a line between the two. I've seen similar posts saying that x is caused by the double data too, that's simply not the case.

If there was a direct, negative impact, to a promotion we're running we'd stop it until we saw any problems resolved. We haven't had to as it isn't causing a problem.
 
Is this something you've tested recently? I'm not aware of any recent DNS specific related issues from our end. Regarding shaping, I'm not really sure what else to say. If it was shaped, we'd say so and sell it as such.

If you're experiencing issues on the account I'd be happy to help, but would need to look at some data. If we really did shape Capped, this thread would be full of the same queries, and it isn't.

Yes, we have had issues with using Afrihost's DNS servers recently. As explained, simple user browsing was affected this is why we use Google DNS servers. Using Afrihost's DNS servers makes no difference to Windows Update download speeds. I have tried that this morning as I have explained in my previous post. Which data would you like to look at. A speed test or a tracert? Those tests will come back with a positive result. The reason for this is that Afrihost has no shaping rules on this traffic. Browsing, browser downloads and other real time services works at acceptable levels. Windows Update and Apple App Store traffic is shaped. The proof is there. Change to another ISP account and updates complete in a flash. It is like unblocking a sewer line. Afrihost shapes update traffic. I pay for an unshaped service. You cannot do this!
 
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Yes, we have had issues with using Afrihost's DNS servers recently. As explained, simple user browsing was affected this is why we use Google DNS servers. Using Afrihost's DNS servers makes no difference to Windows Update download speeds. I have tried that this morning as I have explained in my previous post. Which data would you like to look at. A speed test or a tracert? Those tests will come back with a positive result. The reason for this is that Afrihost has no shaping rules on this traffic. Browsing, browser downloads and other real time services works at acceptable levels. Windows Update and Apple App Store traffic is shaped. The proof is there. Change to another ISP account and updates complete in a flash. It is like unblocking a sewer line. Afrihost shaped update traffic. I pay for an unshaped service. You cannot do this!

Please post some test results for me to look at.
 
What tests do you require?

These are usually a good starting point:

Region/ area you're in
Speedtest to local & international via speedtest or the MyBB speedtest app
A traceroute/ MTR to afrihost.com and bbc.co.uk
An nslookup/ dig to an affected domain using our DNS servers
A real world download on these two files http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/14.04.5/ubuntu-14.04.4-server-amd64.iso and http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/14.04.5/ubuntu-14.04.4-server-amd64.iso.torrent
 
These are usually a good starting point:

Region/ area you're in
Speedtest to local & international via speedtest or the MyBB speedtest app
A traceroute/ MTR to afrihost.com and bbc.co.uk
An nslookup/ dig to an affected domain using our DNS servers
A real world download on these two files http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/14.04.5/ubuntu-14.04.4-server-amd64.iso and http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/14.04.5/ubuntu-14.04.4-server-amd64.iso.torrent

I am in north Gauteng. A speed test works perfectly because Afrihost has no shaping on this service. A tracert to afrihost.com and bbc.co.uk will also work perfectly because Afrihost does not shape this traffic. Name resolution works perfectly because I can connect to the target services. Http downloads works perfectly because as I have explained I can download Microsoft Updates manually via browser within acceptable time windows. Your requests to do these tests makes no sense because all these services works. Windows Update and Apple Store data transfer is problematic. What tests do you require to troubleshoot these services?
 
I am in north Gauteng. A speed test works perfectly because Afrihost has no shaping on this service. A tracert to afrihost.com and bbc.co.uk will also work perfectly because Afrihost does not shape this traffic. Name resolution works perfectly because I can connect to the target services. Http downloads works perfectly because as I have explained I can download Microsoft Updates manually via browser within acceptable time windows. Your requests to do these tests makes no sense because all these services works. Windows Update and Apple Store data transfer is problematic. What tests do you require to troubleshoot these services?

While I fully understand you're frustrating, I don't think pointing to shaping is going to resolve this. We need to check tests to see what's happening.

Let's assume we shape Capped (which I need to point out again, we do not shape Capped accounts) - that would mean everyone else would have the same experience, and feedback in this thread alone doesn't point to any trends on shaping.
But anyway, so hypothetically speaking we shape Capped. That means P2P and ALL downloads will be shaped in the same way we shape Premium Uncapped. So a driver download, a Windows update via HTTP or any other download will be slow. Torrents will be slow along with NNTP.

With that info above, shaping does not happen.

What kind of throughput do you see to Windows and Apple updates?
Also, nslookups/ digs should show an issue if you're having DNS issues.

Let me know if you'd prefer to chat to someone via mail on the phone, I'll gladly escalate your concerns to our Critical Care team.
 
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