Afrikaans schools, discriminatory?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Rebellion

Ecconomic freedom.

The Rand Rebellion (or Rand Revolt, or Second Rand Revolt) was an armed uprising of white miners in the Witwatersrand region of South Africa, in March 1922, sparked off by their intensified exploitation by their employers. Jimmy Green, a prominent politician in the Labour Party, was one of the leaders of the strike. Following a drop in the world price of gold from 130 shillings a fine troy ounce in 1919 to 95s/oz in December 1921, the companies tried to maintain their old profit margins by decreasing wages, and a weakening of the colour bar to enable the promotion of cheaper black miners to skilled and supervisory positions.[1]

The rebellion started as a strike by white mineworkers on 28 December 1921 and became an open rebellion against the state. Subsequently, the workers took over the cities of Benoni and Brakpan, and the Johannesburg suburbs of Fordsburg and Jeppe. The young Communist Party of South Africa (CPSA) took an active part in the uprising on grounds of class struggle while opposing racist aspects of the strike,[2] typified by the slogan; "Workers of the world, unite and fight for a white South Africa!"[3]

Several communists, including the strike leaders Percy Fischer and Harry Spendiff, were killed as the rebellion was quelled by state forces.[4] The rebellion was eventually crushed by "considerable military firepower and at the cost of over 200 lives".[5]

Prime Minister Jan Smuts crushed the rebellion with 20,000 troops, artillery, tanks, and bomber aircraft. This caused a political backlash and he lost the following elections in 1924 to a coalition of the National and Labour parties which introduced the Industrial Conciliation Act 1924, Wage Act 1925 and Mines and Works Amendment Act 1926, which recognised white trades unions and reinforced the colour bar.[6] Under instruction from the Comintern, the CPSA reversed its attitude toward the colour bar and adopted a new 'Native Republic' policy.[
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From the late 1920s whites elected governments that united white labour and Afrikaner Nationalism that used sanctions such as denying government contracts, against businesses that did not employ people who spoke Afrikaans. Nationalised industries were established, like steel and the railways, which reserved even low skilled jobs for whites.

The 1930s and 1940s saw the rapid industrialisation of the country as it supplied the mining industry and the government invested in major projects to protect white employment. South Africa not only had gold and diamonds but vast quantities of iron, coal and many other minerals. Agriculture diminished in importance as mining and then industry grew.
While English-speaking South Africans dominated industrial and commercial life Afrikaners banded together in mutual financial organisations that in due course were to be become major players in that sector of the economy..
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I'm not for one moment saying apartheid was a good thing. If you read history you would know why it happend. The british oppressed the White afrikaaner. When they eventualy won they were scared of loosing it again. Not that it justify apartheid. It explains it. It aslo tells you the story about the oppressor in South africa.
 
Yes lets teach zulu and xhosa in all the schools- afterall we have so many fine zulu and xhosa teachers from the rural areas. Oh wait - something does not sound right. Ahh yes it must be something to do with the pathetic education system that we currently got.
 
(@) (@) twister said:
Yes lets teach zulu and xhosa in all the schools- afterall we have so many fine zulu and xhosa teachers from the rural areas. Oh wait - something does not sound right. Ahh yes it must be something to do with the pathetic education system that we currently got.
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Never It's afrikaans's fault.
 
Nicodeamus said:
/deel-3-hoofstuk-12-ekonomiese-mobilisering-van-die-afrikaner/
Jan Smuts did wonders overseas, but he could never sort out his domestic affairs.
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:D I have heard this many times he was a great statesman but a bad politician, much like Mbeki.
Thanx fo the link. :)

( edit: Groot afrikaanse woorde! :D voel vreemd om in afrikaans te lees )
 
(@) (@) twister said:
Yes lets teach zulu and xhosa in all the schools- afterall we have so many fine zulu and xhosa teachers from the rural areas. Oh wait - something does not sound right. Ahh yes it must be something to do with the pathetic education system that we currently got.
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I don't think there's a shortage of Zulu or Xhosa teachers, at least not as severe as the shortage of Maths and Science teachers.
The problem is that for most of the teachers were never trained to teach these as second or third languages. I also think teaching a language as a third or second language is more suited to a non native speaker of the language.
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
wtf are you smoking, where did soemthing like an Afrikaans company suddenly come from? Seems like an exclusion policy to me. using language to create a barrier
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You obviously don't live in Pretoria, do you? I drove through the city today, visited about 15 car shops to find a water pipe, in every single one of them they all spoke Afrikaans to me when they greeted me, even the black people do so.

edit: come to think of it, even the Indian guy in Silverton who wanted me to buy his samoosas during the heat of the day had a special in Afrikaans, although they do stick to english when it comes to money. "meneer jy kry one free, two vir ten rand"
 
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Wait until the chinese take over and force SA's school children to learn chinese...

Good news is that the ANCYL should do very well with chinese maths as subject.
 
JungleBoy said:
I don't think there's a shortage of Zulu or Xhosa teachers at least not as severe as the shortage of Maths and Science teachers.
The problem is that for most of the teachers were never trained to teach these as second or third languages. I also think teaching a language as a third or second language is more suited to a non native speaker of the language.
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I do not think it should be taught to teachers as a third or second language. There should always be a choice to be taught in your first language.

I'm going to sound stupid( which I probably am ) is there enough literacy on languages? Somebody mentioned that Zulu have many dialects.
 
Nicodeamus said:
You obviously don't live in Pretoria, do you? I drove through the city today, visited about 15 car shops to find a water pipe, in every single one of them they all spoke Afrikaans to me when they greeted me, even the black people do so.
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True this. When I moved here 10 years ago from Durban it felt like I was in a foreign country. Both blacks and whites spoke in languages I did not understand. :D
 
JungleBoy said:
I don't think there's a shortage of Zulu or Xhosa teachers, at least not as severe as the shortage of Maths and Science teachers.
The problem is that for most of the teachers were never trained to teach these as second or third languages. I also think teaching a language as a third or second language is more suited to a non native speaker of the language.
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The development of a language comes from within the mother tongue speakers, but I won't be surprised if we find more people taking Zulu especially in the next few years. In Pretoria they mainly taught Sepedi at schools, which is kinda useless outside Gauteng North.
 
JungleBoy said:
True this. When I moved here 10 years ago from Durban it felt like I was in a foreign country. Both blacks and whites spoke in languages I did not understand. :D
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I got a big WTF stare from a few people in Joburg the other day becuase I asked them for directions in Afrikaans. :(
 
Like driving to keimoes, stopped by a speedcop ( black). In proper gauteng fashion you greet him:

Afternoon sir, did I speed?

And he tunes you

Jirre meneer! Waarheen gaan jy so haastig?

Disarming :D
 
Mila said:
I do not think it should be taught to teachers as a third or second language. There should always be a choice to be taught in your first language.

I'm going to sound stupid( which I probably am ) is there enough literacy on languages? Somebody mentioned that Zulu have many dialects.
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Zulu like any other language has local dialects but the standard written Zulu is the same everywhere. The literacy levels are obviously higher depending on which region. You will not find many people fluent and literate in Zulu if you are in the Northern Cape or North West provinces for example.
 
As for the 1/3 of the population speaking Afrikaans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans

With about 6 million native speakers in South Africa, or 13.3*percent of the population, it is the third most spoken mother tongue in the country.[1][2] It has the widest geographical and racial distribution of all the official languages of South Africa, and is widely spoken and understood as a second or third language.[n 6] It is the majority language of the western half of South Africa—the provinces of the Northern Cape and Western Cape—and the primary language of the coloured and white communities
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JungleBoy said:
Zulu like any other language has local dialects but the standard written Zulu is the same everywhere. The literacy levels are obviously higher depending on which region. You will not find many people fluent and literate in Zulu if you are in the Northern Cape or North West provinces for example.
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sorry auto correct, I mean litrature. :o :o
 
Mila said:
Like driving to keimoes, stopped by a speedcop ( black). In proper gauteng fashion you greet him:

Afternoon sir, did I speed?

And he tunes you

Jirre meneer! Waarheen gaan jy so haastig?

Disarming :D
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Haha! That is awesome!
 
Mila said:
sorry auto correct, I mean litrature. :o :o
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oh...
There's plenty literature in isiZulu, with many authors. You also get lots of isiZulu media publications/newspapers, such as Ilanga, Isolezwe, Sunday Times, News24, Bona Magazine, Drum Magazine, etc. If I'm not mistaken, the first book to be translated to Zulu was the Bible.
 
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