Afrikaans schools, discriminatory?

Lounger said:
Do you think only Afrikaaners do this? Watch how the cashier and packers in Checkers talk about each customer in Xhosa - while the shoppers stand there. It's all about manners ...
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Here me out. I don't have a problem with Afrikaans people talking to each other in Afrikaans about somethin that does not concern me. I do however, have a problem when we are sitting in a room full of colleagues discussing a common issue in a meeting (a forum) and the Afrikaner guy starts to talk in Afrikaans.
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
The fact that afrikaans is being forced at certain schools leads to segregation based upon culture (this is simple).
This will result in the masses (most non-afrikaaners) forcing changes that will impact on the afrikaaners.
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You seem to be slightly confused so let me help:

The average school can afford to provision 2 languages. This school selected Afrikaans as secondary likely because of the proliferation of the language in that area. Now you say they discriminate for catering to the need of the area to provide the most common languages in that area? You must be joking

And yes it's a requirement the education department is pushing hard to get 2-3 languages in each school
 
Incorrect MMM. English is compulsory and you are required to take a second language subject. It is up to your schools Governing Body to decide what languages are offered. You can proposition the governing body to adopt a new language with enough support from parents. If there are not enough votes to warrant hiring an additional staff member to teach the subject, the majority decision is upheld.

http://www.southafrica.co.za/about-south-africa/education/

Curriculum development

The NCS aims to develop the full potential of all learners as citizens of a democratic South Africa. It seeks to create a lifelong learner who is confident and independent; literate, numerate and multiskilled; and compassionate, with a respect for the environment and the ability to participate in society as a critical and active citizen. The NCS is available in all 11 official languages and in Braille, in keeping with the Constitution, which grants parity of esteem to all languages.

It requires learners in grades 10 to 12 to do four compulsory subjects, namely two official languages, Mathematical Literacy or Mathematics and Life Orientation. In addition, learners must select three approved subjects. The NCS has been implemented incrementally.
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JungleBoy said:
Nail meets head. :D
English is understood by majority of people. Afrikaans, Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa, Tswana, etc all have English as the best compromise and not Afrikaans, Zulu or any of the other 11 official languages. If we are all Zulu guys and are hanging out with a Tswana guy from Mafikeng it would be discriminatory to converse in Zulu when we are clearly aware that he does not understand it. The fact that there might be 10 versus 1 is neither here nor there. It's common courtesy, really.
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on paper maybe. In practise. I could work Greece for all that mattered... they whole office speaks Greek to me :D
In work I think people often fall back on their mother language when they need to explain things to a person of the same language. ( meetings are a different horse just office technical IT talk)

It’s good manners to talk in English but in practise it sometimes does not happen. And that is when understanding a different language is nice. Because you can understand what the people are saying around you.

We have a helpdesk. My company is 70 % of the users black Africans. So most of the explaining and troubleshooting happens in other languages but English. They sometimes ask me to help when an Afrikaans user struggles to understand in English. I think it simplifies an problem.
That does mean that 70%+ of the conversation and issues I’m excluded from


Meetings are always conducted in english. Except when the Helpdesk meets. They then use a diffrent language.
 
JungleBoy said:
Here me out. I don't have a problem with Afrikaans people talking to each other in Afrikaans about somethin that does not concern me. I do however, have a problem when we are sitting in a room full of colleagues discussing a common issue in a meeting (a forum) and the Afrikaner guy starts to talk in Afrikaans.
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which happens quite a lot for some reason. I have always found that zulu/xhosa speakers try their best to speak english to have everyone understand them which results in them making many funny english errors, however have had few afrikaaners speak english at a largely afrikaaner meeting.

When the frrench or Italian president struggles with his english we accept it as normal but if an African struggles we become derogatory and laugh at him/her. Just an Interesting observation I've made and also something I used to do until I realized what I was doing :)
 
JungleBoy said:
I think the OP would have preferred to take another subject (not necessarily a language) instead of Afrikaans.
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Perhaps,but it's a requirement by the education department as listed above ^
 
PsyWulf said:
You seem to be slightly confused so let me help:

The average school can afford to provision 2 languages. This school selected Afrikaans as secondary likely because of the proliferation of the language in that area. Now you say they discriminate for catering to the need of the area to provide the most common languages in that area? You must be joking

And yes it's a requirement the education department is pushing hard to get 2-3 languages in each school
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please dont insult me when we are having a discussion. Its disgusting when you make fun or or target some one with out just putting your point forward. Grow some common sense and manners please.

Anyhow they have the option of the second language but why make it compulsory and not offer parents the option of a 3rd language? the stance taken is of " accept if or F off to anotehr school"
 
Mila said:
on paper maybe. In practise. I could work Greece for all that mattered... they whole office speaks Greek to me :D
In work I think people often fall back on their mother language when they need to explain things to a person of the same language. ( meetings are a different horse just office technical IT talk)

It’s good manners to talk in English but in practise it sometimes does not happen. And that is when understanding a different language is nice. Because you can understand what the people are saying around you.

We have a helpdesk. My company is 70 % of the users black Africans. So most of the explaining and troubleshooting happens in other languages but English. They sometimes ask me to help when an Afrikaans user struggles to understand in English. I think it simplifies an problem.
That does mean that 70%+ of the conversation and issues I’m excluded from


Meetings are always conducted in english. Except when the Helpdesk meets. They then use a diffrent language.
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Wouldn't it be nice then for one before reverting to mother tongue to inform everyone else (in English) that this next piece of conversation is between me and my fellow Afrikaner? That way we won't be trying to follow a conversation that is clearly not aimed at us.
 
PsyWulf said:
So your problem is with being forced to have a second language
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My problem is being forced to do Afrikaans, which occurred to me btw. It has and Will always be the language of oppression.

Sadly it wills till be used to attempt to exert authority but the change has come and will eventually occur :)
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
No afrikaans is compulsory at grade 10 if I read the OP's post correctly. Its not optional and is not made optional by the "pure" afrikaans schools
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As your first language. If you are english in an "pure afrikaans" school you will have english as your second language.:D
Most schools are mixed and they just swop the two around to suit children.
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
please dont insult me when we are having a discussion. Its disgusting when you make fun or or target some one with out just putting your point forward. Grow some common sense and manners please.

Anyhow they have the option of the second language but why make it compulsory and not offer parents the option of a 3rd language? the stance taken is of " accept if or F off to anotehr school"
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I merely stated my dismay at the utter lack of understanding of a point that has been made repeatedly to try correct the misunderstanding you seem to have had and as such I will not rebuke my method.

The education department has made a second mandatory,the school offers the best second language they can. Would it be preferable to have more options? Sure - if there is resources and the need is there. However 1 student throwing a fit for being forced to take the only available second language in a school with only 1 second language is nonsense
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
whixh is the point we are making :)
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Again: This point differs from the OP's original bone of contention which relates to the being forced due to a lack of options.

But I agree entirely with our secondary point regarding usage of universal languages for mixed situations
 
Mila said:
As your first language. If you are english in an "pure afrikaans" school you will have english as your second language.:D
Most schools are mixed and they just swop the two around to suit children.
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fact Im from rural KZN. No afrikaaners in class. Forced to do Afrikaans. Resulted in 98% of matric class doing standard grade as afrikaans was required on HG to get exmeption. why because it was implemeted as a means of control.

this has changed in terms of policy but is stil utilised by the former afrikaans schools.
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
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wtf are you smoking, where did soemthing like an Afrikaans company suddenly come from? Seems like an exclusion policy to me. using language to create a barrier
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So any company that doesn't speak predominately English is suddenly discriminatory?

It's a private company people are free to decide whatever language they wish to use. It could be Klingon for all I care.

All of which has nothing to do with the OP's original gripe that school's whose primary language is Afrikaans is somehow discriminatory and put there on purpose to purposely exclude people.
 
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MightyMuffinMan said:
fact Im from rural KZN. No afrikaaners in class. Forced to do Afrikaans. Resulted in 98% of matric class doing standard grade as afrikaans was required on HG to get exmeption. why because it was implemeted as a means of control.

this has changed in terms of policy but is stil utilised by the former afrikaans schools.
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My school definitely didn't do this so it's not policy for all schools. These are the exception and I agree not ideal or acceptible.
 
MightyMuffinMan said:
My problem is being forced to do Afrikaans, which occurred to me btw. It has and Will always be the language of oppression.

Sadly it wills till be used to attempt to exert authority but the change has come and will eventually occur :)
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You will never be free of opression if you do not recognise the oppresor.
English. We all hail the english and their international language. They forced it to half the world. That is why english is an international language.

The People that took their wagons and moved from cape town was the people that wanted out under the oppresor. They even refused to speak the language and therefore afrikaans was born.

The british then came flocking up to the mines. Gold Rush is something they can not resist. Yes kark rules were adopted by the Stupid Apartheid regime. The Dutch landed here in? 1651. Apartheid started in 1948.
Guess who also died in consentration camps? The black people of south africa. They were just kept separate by the british. Why. Because that is what they were about. Segregation.
 
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