Afrikaans schools, discriminatory?

[MightyMuffinMan]

I merely stated my dismay at the utter lack of understanding of a point that has been made repeatedly to try correct the misunderstanding you seem to have had and as such I will not rebuke my method.
tudent throwing a fit for being forced to take the only available second language in a school with only 1 second language is nonsense

yes, I can see how calling me confused conveys your argument. (sarcasm) you sir are an a55 and a waste of time arguing with you, good day

 

[JungleBoy]

Perhaps,but it's a requirement by the education department as listed above ^

I doubt that it is a departmental requirement to have two languages for matric. During our times it was compulsory to pass at least two official languages before you could qualify for matric exemption. My son goes to what was an Afrikaans school in the past. The demographics of the children have changed over the years and it is now an English medium school. The demographics of the teachers have not changed though. They still do offer Afrikaans (and Zulu) as optional languages.

My point is only Afrikaans medium school can be expected to have Afrikaans as a compulsory subject. Model C schools with English as a medium have no business forcing all pupils to take Afrikaans. They are an English medium school for crying out loud. That already tells me they are catering to mostly English speaking communities.

 

[PsyWulf]

yes, I can see how calling me confused conveys your argument. (sarcasm) you sir are an a55 and a waste of time arguing with you, good day

Ah clearly confusion isn't a valid excuse for misunderstanding something! Learnt something new

 

[S7wede]

When you are the only person who complains about having to take Afrikaans at a school that has only offered English First Language and Afrikaans second language, it is NOT discrimination. You don't warrant the hiring of another teacher to take the time to teach a whole syllabus.

 

[Mila]

fact Im from rural KZN. No afrikaaners in class. Forced to do Afrikaans. Resulted in 98% of matric class doing standard grade as afrikaans was required on HG to get exmeption. why because it was implemeted as a means of control.

this has changed in terms of policy but is stil utilised by the former afrikaans schools.

When was this? I'm also from rural KZN.
I'm not saying it is ideal and if the control part is true why did the people accept it? This is south africa post 1994. If they could not afford a diffrent teacher that might have been why you ended up with afrikaans.

 

[MightyMuffinMan]

You will never be free of opression if you do not recognise the oppresor.
English. We all hail the english and their international language. They forced it to half the world. That is why english is an international language.

The People that took their wagons and moved from cape town was the people that wanted out under the oppresor. They even refused to speak the language and therefore afrikaans was born.

The british then came flocking up to the mines. Gold Rush is something they can not resist. Yes kark rules were adopted by the Stupid Apartheid regime. The Dutch landed here in? 1651. Apartheid started in 1948.
Guess who also died in consentration camps? The black people of south africa. They were just kept separate by the british. Why. Because that is what they were about. Segregation.

english didn't implement apartheid. the english didn't make afrikaans compulsory in the 90's . the english didnt beat my father for going home late one night after curfew. The english didn't ban certain groups from certain beaches, lebraries, schools, universities etc.

We know who the oppressor was and we are trying to make amends but thats not gonna happen while the afrikaaner's continue to have their schools and universities segregated from the masses.

you dont ahve to like what I'm saying cos I don't . you jus have to understand it

 

[MightyMuffinMan]

When was this? I'm also from rural KZN.
I'm not saying it is ideal and if the control part is true why did the people accept it? This is south africa post 1994. If they could not afford a diffrent teacher that might have been why you ended up with afrikaans.

2004, shakaskraal. peri urban

 

[JungleBoy]

So any company that doesn't speak predominately English is suddenly discriminatory?

It's a private company people are free to decide whatever language they wish to use. It could be Klingon for all I care.

All of which has nothing to do with the OP's original gripe that school's whose primary language is Afrikaans is somehow discriminatory and put there on purpose to purposely exclude people.

If a company is predominantly Afrikaans then they need to indicate this before you take up the job. They can make Afrikaans to be one of the job requirements and conduct recruitment interviews in Afrikaans.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

How do you know this?

Wiki.

 

[PsyWulf]

I doubt that it is a departmental requirement to have two languages for matric.

It requires learners in grades 10 to 12 to do four compulsory subjects, namely two official languages, Mathematical Literacy or Mathematics and Life Orientation. In addition, learners must select three approved subjects. The NCS has been implemented incrementally.

Was and still is required ^ As for Model C English schools with afrikaans as the only available second option,if it's the most common for the area and they can't afford a 3rd language teacher? The logical conclusion would be offering only afrikaans. I agree if there is resources and the need is there options should be available.

The education system makes do with what they have,if teachers and funds aren't available,but you are required to still provide certain subjects you do what you can

Sidenote - I taught for 3 years

 

[Mila]

I doubt that it is a departmental requirement to have two languages for matric. During our times it was compulsory to pass at least two official languages before you could qualify for matric exemption. My son goes to what was an Afrikaans school in the past. The demographics of the children have changed over the years and it is now an English medium school. The demographics of the teachers have not changed though. They still do offer Afrikaans (and Zulu) as optional languages.

My point is only Afrikaans medium school can be expected to have Afrikaans as a compulsory subject. Model C schools with English as a medium have no business forcing all pupils to take Afrikaans. They are an English medium school for crying out loud. That already tells me they are catering to mostly English speaking communities.

Blaming Afrikaans is not going to solve the problem. I have said it previously the lack of teachers is what brought this on. Teachers decide what subjects they want to teach, and study in that direction. If a teacher did math and Afrikaans then your school will probably appoint them for math and then they have you to teach English second language. Hiring a whole new person for a different language is not always an option. Money is not freely available.
We all recognised that this is not the ideal situation. We all agreed on that. What Sly is doing is demonizing Afrikaans, which will serve him in the further as a tool. Recognise it and use it.

WE all agreed that all children should have the choice of a home language. Most Black African people in my office decided that their children should not go to schools that teach anything other than English and Afrikaans, which make the situation worse.

 

[MightyMuffinMan]

If a company is predominantly Afrikaans then they need to indicate this before you take up the job. They can make Afrikaans to be one of the job requirements and conduct recruitment interviews in Afrikaans.

actually no, afrikaans can only be requirement if its required to carry out that job function eg telemarketing. You can't discriminate on language just because most people speak it.

this mindset is whats the problem.

anyhow be b later got to goto work now :O

 

[hawker]

We know who the oppressor was and we are trying to make amends but thats not gonna happen while the afrikaaner's continue to have their schools and universities segregated from the masses.

What? Stellenbosch & University of Pretoria (both traditionally afrikaans universities) are now bilingual and UP is even adopting Sotho (on brochures, documentation, maps, signposts, building names -> and eventually classes). I have people of all races and religions in my classes at a university that is supposedly "segregating the masses."

 

[Mila]

2004, shakaskraal. peri urban

I would not know the situation. I just think sometimes finance plays a bigger role than you think.

 

[PsyWulf]

Potch univ has also been pioneering a project to provide classes ( where size allows ) in all the official languages using interpreters and headsets for students who cannot use english as their medium

 

[Mila]

english didn't implement apartheid. the english didn't make afrikaans compulsory in the 90's . the english didnt beat my father for going home late one night after curfew. The english didn't ban certain groups from certain beaches, lebraries, schools, universities etc.

We know who the oppressor was and we are trying to make amends but thats not gonna happen while the afrikaaner's continue to have their schools and universities segregated from the masses.

you dont ahve to like what I'm saying cos I don't . you jus have to understand it

You do life in a world where history is only what you want it to be. I also know that apartheid was wrong. I'm telling you that the british implemented apartheid and curfews a few hundred years before a stupid whitey gave it a name and made it a law.

Knowing your oppressor will set you free. Struggling against a few fools that are mostly dead is not going to bring you anywhere.

Reading is a great tool. History is a fascinating thing.

Sorry to hear about your dad.( seriously nothing snarkey )Oh By the way Jungle that is why the very afrikaaners call it Die taal van die vyand and have issues... I think that is why you still get Afrikaans people that struggle with english. Their parents were brought up by parents that refused to use english

But that is just stupid. How can I now go and blame an English dude in his 30's for something that we had no control over.

 

[ponder]

2004, shakaskraal. peri urban

That's just down the road from me. I went to school at Umhlali & Stanger.

 

[Mila]

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The Afrikaners formed two independent inland republics, the Zuid Afrikaanse Republiek (ZAR) and the Oranje Vrystaat (Orange Free State). On the coast the British occupied the Cape Colony and Natal.

The discovery of diamonds in the Cape Province in 1866 the discovery of gold twenty years later on the Witwatersrand in the ZAR transformed the economy and attracted considerable foreign interest. The subsequent diamond and gold rushes saw further migrations of a range of nationalities including Cornish miners and eastern European Jews amongst others.

The British invaded the Freestate and ZAR and brought them under British control uniting the four provinces in the Union of South Africa in 1910.

But perhaps the greatest impact was the influx of international capital to finance the mining operations, including the arrival of Cecil John Rhodes who formed the De Beers Company and Anglo-American.


The indigenous people had little taste for the mining economy and this led to a shortage of labour on the mines. In a measure to force labour to the mines, Rhodes, who had turned from forming the De Beers Company to politics, secured the passing of the Glen Grey Act in 1894. The Act obliged the payment of tax with the specific aim of forcing peasant farmers, who were not part of the money economy, to find work that paid money in order to pay the taxes. The Act was a deliberate move by Rhodes to force labour to the mines.

This was the start of a migratory labour system in which black men travelled to the mines to work leaving their families in the tribal areas.

The supply of labour became more than sufficient and the mining companies formed a buying cartel through their association, the Chamber of Mines. This enabled them to create a monopsony (market conditions where there is only one buyer) that suppressed wages. The mines also attracted labour from neighbouring countries such as Rhodesia (now Zambia and Zimbabwe), Nyasaland (now Malawi) and Mozambique (that was then a Portuguese colony) that kept wages down

 

[Mila]

The mines were owned by the british. They also had lovely policies. Which included the Afrikaaner.

South African gold mines are deep and expensive to run and the mine companies endeavoured to keep costs down. However, in trying to train blacks for skilled jobs, they ran into conflict with white miners. Such was the resistance of the whites that it triggered a rebellion in 1922 in the area around the centre of gold mining: the Witwatersrand.

The Rand Rebellion was crushed with what was an early use of air power and some white miners were dispatched to the gallows. Those sentenced to hang were said to have gone to the gallows quoting Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's Communist Manifesto, saying, "Workers of the world unite", but instead of adding "You have nothing to lose but your chains", the condemned miners added, "for a white South Africa

 

[Mila]

Among the white population there were many sharecroppers, tenant farmers who shared their crops with their landlord in lieu of rent. Drought and the forced sale and consolidation of farms led to many being forced off the land. What were described as 'Poor Whites', almost exclusively of Afrikaner origin, flooded to the towns competing with blacks for jobs on the mines.

This was the period of the global Great Depression so all sections of the community were in fact impoverished but special attention was paid to white poverty.

The Carnegie Corporation founded by Scots-born, American philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, conducted a study into white poverty that was published as the report of the Commission on the Poor White Problem in South Africa in 1932.

It led to the alleviation of white poverty but to some it also laid the foundations for the formalised system of racial discrimination against blacks that became known as apartheid.Blacks had no vote and the whites used their political power to force the mining companies to protect skilled jobs for whites.

So now it is 1930 and here the British decided to split the Afrikaaners from the Blacks. Interesting if you want to read. The want is the important part. Before 1932 black and white South africans were on the same level. British and thier chronies were the oppressors.