ANC Achievements

marine1 said:
I don't think that's correct
There was massive tender fraud and numerous contracts were cancelled iirc
But let's say you are right. That's 1 out of 9
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I'm not saying that the ANC only did good.
A person can see the good without having to point out the bad. The DA has had many annoying mess-ups in Cape Town too (But many more successes).

I'll repost what else I think the ANC did great
Averting the debt default we were close to, and then reducing the crippling debt we were in.
Dramatic increases in GDP (PPP) and GDP per Capita (PPP)
Dramatic reduction in poverty
Brought inflation under control
Increased our trade partners dramatically

Add in a big increase in our healthcare which was dismal prior to '94 (Remember effective healthcare is a combination of reach and quality. The increase in reach is dramatic, but quality has gone down a bit in places).
The automotive industry has also been a very successful addition to our economy
 
Sherbang said:
An average gross domestic product (GDP) growth rate of 3.6% between 1994 and 2007, and inflation reduced to 6.3% over the same period. In a historical context, this compares to apartheid South Africa’s disastrous decline in economic growth to an average of 1.4%, and inflation escalating to an average 14.2 % between 1980 and 1994. The net effect transformed South Africa from an US$80 billion to US$400 billion economy.

Monthly social welfare grants now benefit over 16 million people in need.

Between 2001 and 2010, lower-income earners decreased significantly from 52% to 31%, calculated in terms of the Living Standard Measure (LSM). This translates into 4.6 million people lifted out of the lower-income level. Equally significant, close to 10 million people have migrated from the lower- to the middle- and upper-income groups – an upward income shift of an average of 1 million people per year over 10 years.

The largest grouping of South Africans is now in the LSM middle-income bracket at 12.3 million, from 7 million of the population a decade earlier. Africans dominate the middle-class consumer segment, while whites on average have become wealthier.

http://www.wbsjournal.co.za/article...freedom-achievements-and-challenges-1466.html
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That happened despite the ANC, not because of them.
 
ponder said:
That happened despite the ANC, not because of them.
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No. Their economic policies were directly responsible for it.
Would another political party had similar policies? Probably. But that doesn't take the achievement away from them
 
No, but it has been. And during their reign, the city still became better than it was.
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We have the ANC to thank for the Chapmans Peak debacle - the contract for which the DA is stuck with.
 
daveza said:
We have the ANC to thank for the Chapmans Peak debacle - the contract for which the DA is stuck with.
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Once again, I did not say that the ANC's reign was all roses. Yes, there were big issues.
But they did many things right, and the entire purpose of this thread is to list their successes. I'm sure there are many threads pointing out their failures.

You can point out things that someone did well without having to point out the flaws
 
I'm sure Hitler also had some successes/achievements.

/I did it.
 
What about things like:

Averting a recession in 08-09 through conservative banking/financial policies?

I cannot agree too much with the trade policies though. The manufacturing sector is practically non-existant, even though we produce so much raw material.

IMHO, I think some parts of policy-making were very sound, especially under Mbeki/Manuel. Our debt-to-GDP was very low in that period, even among industrialized nations.
 
ponder said:
That happened despite the ANC, not because of them.
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I can see that will be the answer to anyone who points out anything positive that has happened under the ANC controlled government. Never mind that the country was bankrupt when the new government came into being, it must be some mysterious force that is responsible, nothing to do with the anc. So it's a lose - lose situation. Everything negative that has happened is directly due to the anc, anything positive is despite them. All it shows is your preconceived bias. This kind of thinking seems to occur a lot on myBB - it's the same logic white people use when they want to take credit for all the positive things (we brought technology and civilization) but distance themselves from the negative (I wasn't even born yet). Bah, no point in discussing things with such people who clearly have no interest in facts.
 
noob_saibot said:
What about things like:

Averting a recession in 08-09 through conservative banking/financial policies?

I cannot agree too much with the trade policies though. The manufacturing sector is practically non-existant, even though we produce so much raw material.

IMHO, I think some parts of policy-making were very sound, especially under Mbeki/Manuel. Our debt-to-GDP was very low in that period, even among industrialized nations.
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True. Our banking/financial policies saved us from the worst of the recession. Forgot about that
 
ponder said:
I'm sure Hitler also had some successes/achievements.

/I did it.
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Certainly in terms of socialism and the welfare state the living standards of the average German increased significantly under Hitler. Of course it was unsustainable hence the need for lebensraum leading to war.....
 
Sherbang said:
I can see that will be the answer to anyone who points out anything positive that has happened under the ANC controlled government.
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Trevor Manual simply followed world bank & imf recommendations which was a good thing. I actually have a lot of respect for him but what did the anc do to him recently? he got completely sidelined because he was a bit to critical of internal anc economic policies. All the intellectuals are being pushed out and we have ended up with animal farm. style politics where pigs feast
 
They steal from their voters, have been for 20 years, whilst getting them to still vote ANC.

That's a massive achievement right there.
 
You have to distinguish between the ANC of Mandela/Mbeki and Zuma. Most of the achievement happened before Zuma but now the momentum is slowing down. Bad decisions previously like education & Eskom is only hitting us now, but you can see the rot everywhere. I wish I could believe in the ANC's ability to take this country forward, but I have to be realistic.
 
evilstebunny said:
You have to distinguish between the ANC of Mandela/Mbeki and Zuma. Most of the achievement happened before Zuma but now the momentum is slowing down. Bad decisions previously like education & Eskom is only hitting us now, but you can see the rot everywhere. I wish I could believe in the ANC's ability to take this country forward, but I have to be realistic.
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They still think of themselves as a liberation organisation & the corruption rot has become absolute. There is no way back from this, we are doomed.
 
I don't think anyone denies the anc has done some excellent things , the issue is progress has slowed to a crawl, education which is the only real long term to solving sa's long term problems is pathetic compared to the amount of resources spent. Add to this the culture of mediocrity and kleptocracy and it's clear that we need a leadership and direction change as a country. The challenge will be to see if the Anc would relinquish power if it is the will of the people. I doubt it....
 
In reply to the OP's question, I'm in the "pro-group". The question was very specific "ANC achievements".

Sherbang, JStrike, crazydude, etc. have gone into some detail to answer that question and the list is quite impressive. I'll work through it and add to it later in the day.

That there is a long list of failures is also true, but that is NOT what was asked.
 
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