Nerfherder
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I pay more than 10% of my gross salary to my medical aid every month... an I still have to pay in for certain things.
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I pay more than 10% of my gross salary to my medical aid every month... an I still have to pay in for certain things.
Nerfherder
Honorary Master
This is actually an excellent idea, quality access to health care for all is a good thing.
I just feel the ANC is putting the cart before the horse on this one.
There are a number of very important things that need to be taken care of before some thing as important as this can even be started. As someone else mentioned they should be fixing up the current public health care system so that it is at an acceptable level. Start put the relevant human resource process in place to deal with non performing nurses and doctors.
Also, how do the ANC plan on dealing with the chronic shortage of health care professionals?
So far, all it sounds like to me is another method to collect more funds to redistribute into the health care system. The question of mismanagement of funds then comes into play as the government doesn’t have a squeaky clean record on this. Can tax payers actually afford any extra deductions on their salary?
There are so many things that need to be considered for this to work, at this point I feel there is more stacked against it not working as oppose to it working.
Just my 2cents
I just feel the ANC is putting the cart before the horse on this one.
There are a number of very important things that need to be taken care of before some thing as important as this can even be started. As someone else mentioned they should be fixing up the current public health care system so that it is at an acceptable level. Start put the relevant human resource process in place to deal with non performing nurses and doctors.
Also, how do the ANC plan on dealing with the chronic shortage of health care professionals?
So far, all it sounds like to me is another method to collect more funds to redistribute into the health care system. The question of mismanagement of funds then comes into play as the government doesn’t have a squeaky clean record on this. Can tax payers actually afford any extra deductions on their salary?
There are so many things that need to be considered for this to work, at this point I feel there is more stacked against it not working as oppose to it working.
Just my 2cents
But their members don't have to carry dead weight -- members who don't pay and get the same benefits for free.
I think it will cost more than double what they predict it will...
Lowering prices will just raise demand, lowering them to next to nothing will make demand sky rocket, when that happens the real costs of medicine will rise dramatically.
Even if we could afford all this, it would be a bad idea, now it is just a disastrous one.
Lowering prices will just raise demand, lowering them to next to nothing will make demand sky rocket, when that happens the real costs of medicine will rise dramatically.
Even if we could afford all this, it would be a bad idea, now it is just a disastrous one.
Which means it can be demonstrated that they are adding wealth! AWESOME!
And since essentially "everyone has a right to healthcare" he will overcharge the government (No market forces to incentivise him to charge less) , so the costs of medicine will rise.
At some point the government will put a price cap as to what doctors can charge the state to prevent this, and since doctors can no longer charge what they feel their labour is worth, there is less incentive for one to become a doctor...and we already have a shortage in supply of doctors and laws preventing a number of foreign medical personnel from working here!
So, to combat the high costs of healthcare (Due to low supply, high demand), everyone seems to promote policies that will raise demand further, probably lower supply if price caps are enforced and ultimately raise the real costs of medicine drastically...
Does anyone not understand how that is absolutely insane!
Economic realities is alien to liberal ideologues
No because most people have seen how well it works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#Cross-country_comparisons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance
I dont know anyone in Canada, Sweden, Denmark, France or Germany that have that big a problem?
killadoob
Honorary Master
Do those countries have a major corruption problem though wizard?
Nope
our high levels of poverty count against us big time. We need more people employed.This is a pretty interesting comparison between the different models:
http://www.pitt.edu/~heinisch/concept.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~heinisch/concept.html
Socialism works great in Africa just look at Zimbabwe.
Hell is there a single successful 3rd world socialist state?
Venezuela perhaps lol
I dont know anyone in Canada, Sweden, Denmark, France or Germany that have that big a problem?
Those are all developed countries with economies larger than ours.
Has a system like the NHI been successful in a developing country with an economy the size of ours?
Exactly. In theory it's a nice idea. In practice it will not work in SA. I guess it gives me ample time to start saving for unfavourable eventualities
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
Before free health care people should have jobs. In order to generate jobs the economy needs to grow. NHI will be a drag on any growth.
davemc
Executive Member
East London and Port Elizabeth fell off the benefits wagon quite a while ago. they really need to demand their share of the billions, and then they need to use the billions.
Seriously, a statue and renaming a bay = waste extraordinaire, the people that ok'd that deal should be booted out of office after handing back every single one of their benefits.
I must admit that I specifically chose to move to KZN because of the public healthcare system, it really is the best in the country.
Click on the link to learn the difference between a welfare state and a fully socialist state. In your own words are you able to tell the difference between the two?
Could you provide an alternative solution that would be better to a welfare state? If you wanna deal with poverty?
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Exactly. In theory it's a nice idea. In practice it will not work in SA. I guess it gives me ample time to start saving for unfavourable eventualities
So please point me to a better working model. It works fine in loads of countries, sure its expensive and difficult but it gets the job done. Since I gave many examples of European countries that got it right and you mentioned that model would not work in South Africa... which financial model do you think is better for the current South African economy? Since we cant use first world countries as an example you need to show me a working financial model that would work for SA. I hope the model finds ways to deal with unemployment, poverty and freedom
on paper this idea looks good, but it creates to much dependence on governmental level, and government is failing the people as it is. I hope this is well run though, I have empathy for those dependent on state health care.
I hope this is well run though, I have empathy for those dependent on state health care.