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rogerwe said:
I do agree with your last statement:

=LilJohn: Please don't tell me DA or COPE= ANC
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That's quite simply because no party can compare to how bad the ANC is for this country. . That's quite simply because no party can compare to how bad the ANC is for this country.
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Hit the nail on the head.
 
Typical pro-ANC way of thinking. There's really no way to get through to you guys, is there? You point-blank REFUSE to look at the situation in any other way. And for that, ****ing live with it, pal.

-I'm tired of poor service delivery but I'm not voting for anyone else because they focus on race and they will bring back apartheid.
-How on earth can the appalling levels of crime have anything to do with the ANC?
-This country could never fail. In fact, improvements are happening all the time (yet I'm tired of poor service delivery but I'm not going to vote for anyone else because...)
-You whites should be grateful. The ANC could have #&*#ed you up REAL bad but they haven't punished you in any way whatsoever.

...etc. etc. etc.
 
LilJohn said:
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/apartheid.hist.html

Please scroll and take a look at the graph at the bottom.

Popullation Blacks 19 mil Whites 4,5 mil
Land Allocation Blacks 13% Whites 87%
Share of National Income Black <20% Whites 75%

Now you wonder why people are so corrupt!
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Of course that was 20 years ago? Does the USSR still have nukes pointed at the USA? How difficult is it getting out of East Berlin?

We all know Apartheid was wrong, you just seem to assume all whites supported it! Now that is racist.

"I don't know a single white person that didn't benefit from Apartheid" has been replaced by "I don't know a single black person that hasn't benefited from BEE/AA". Different day, same s**t.

So stop using history as an excused and realise we can't go forward by looking backward - that will ALWAYS be the problem with the ANC.
 
LilJohn said:
Yeah right, did you see on the news how DA built people toilets on the streets with no covering shelter, just goes to show how much DA thinks of black people. In my opinion black people would be stupid to vote for DA, there's nothing which DA has done for black people to trust them instead they have done the opposite!
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LilJohn said:
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/apartheid.hist.html

Please scroll and take a look at the graph at the bottom.

Popullation Blacks 19 mil Whites 4,5 mil
Land Allocation Blacks 13% Whites 87%
Share of National Income Black <20% Whites 75%

Now you wonder why people are so corrupt!
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And if the ANC made good on all that was promised maybe the uneducated masses would have been able to afford property and they would have had and education and opportunities.

But hey they rather employ Americans than Africans.

If they stopped wasting tax money and uplifted people . But no keep them uneducated and poor cause that way you will keep them voting for promises that will never come true.
 
FFS people! The issue is not about who did what and apportioning blame and the usual racist mudslinging. The OP (regardless of subsequent statements) made a valid point. The majority of ANC's supporters will never vote DA and COPE is a huge FAIL. The issue is where will the real alternative to the ANC come from? Let's be realistic, not fairyland idealists about it.
 
SiriS said:
FFS people! The issue is not about who did what and apportioning blame and the usual racist mudslinging. The OP (regardless of subsequent statements) made a valid point. The majority of ANC's supporters will never vote DA and COPE is a huge FAIL. The issue is where will the real alternative to the ANC come from? Let's be realistic, not fairyland idealists about it.
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Well if COPE didn't work, what can we come up with?
 
Rosaudio said:
A 32 year old graph eh.. What is your point?
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Everything

I bet you this hasn't changed much, Share of National Income and Land Allocation. But yet black population is >80% and you want us to vote for DA....got to be kidding or you guys are absolutely nutters!
 
LilJohn said:
I've often heard how stupid black people are for voting for corrupt ANC, which is correct...there are a lot of corrupt ANC officials, really no different from past government but at least one could argue that service delivery was good back in the days well at least for white folks.

As an ANC supporter I am also fed up of the corruption and poor service delivery, but the only reason why I still vote for ANC regardless of corruption reports we hear on the news every day is because we have no alternative party in SA which will serve all regardless of race.

Please don't tell me DA or COPE= ANC
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I still vote for ANC regardless of corruption reports we hear on the news every day
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You are part of the problem and not the solution.
Ignorance is excused, stupidity is not.
 
SiriS said:
A split in the ANC/tripartite? COPE reinvented? COPE reinvented + DA, but with strong black leader?
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I think the second one is the only thing we can expect.

The DA won't associate itself with COPE and their baggage. If the party can drop most of their leaders in favour of some up-and-coming-haven't-go-their-hands-dirty COPE members, maybe then.
 
SiriS said:
FFS people! The issue is not about who did what and apportioning blame and the usual racist mudslinging. The OP (regardless of subsequent statements) made a valid point. The majority of ANC's supporters will never vote DA and COPE is a huge FAIL. The issue is where will the real alternative to the ANC come from? Let's be realistic, not fairyland idealists about it.
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Why is the DA not a real alternative?
 
LilJohn said:
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I bet you this hasn't changed much, Share of National Income and Land Allocation. But yet black population is >80% and you want us to vote for DA....got to be kidding or you guys are absolutely nutters!
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Once again your are focussing on the race of a party, instead of what they could do for the country. I feel really sorry for you.
 
LilJohn said:
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I bet you this hasn't changed much, Share of National Income and Land Allocation. But yet black population is >80% and you want us to vote for DA....got to be kidding or you guys are absolutely nutters!
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And we only have the ANC to thank for that. R262 million for failed CEO's. Think of the jobs that could sustain. No, it's the ANC that has failed to realise you can't force change, you have to encourage it.

Where are the 500 000 jobs that were supposed to uplift some of the poor? The ANC has failed everyone in this country, you're too stubborn to accept it needs to go.
 
The problem is that when somebody like LilJohn who have the ability to use the internet, read and type cannot be reached how will the uneducated masses ever be reached?
 
LilJohn you are sinking your own ship and making decent people who are also black by the way, look bad / ignorant. What exactly is your gripe:
Can you vote for what you believe in?? - YES.
Do you have access all parts of your country? - YES
Are you limited in any way by your skin colour in terms of employment? - NO
Do you have the same individual rights as the next person? - YES

Are you a personal failure to yourself and your community and public opinion?? - ask yourself this!
 
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