ANC - Western Cape independence!

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Yes, if they didn't win... the achieved squat and were useless..

They may have been noble, but they were still useless....
 
Therefore, Bunny, ur attempts to label a Cape secession movement as racially motivated and/or useless is K@% ;)
 
Yes, if they didn't win... the achieved squat and were useless..

They may have been noble, but they were still useless....

And where do you draw the line between being spineless and doing nothing vs. sitting back and accepting the status quo?
 
Well, no they'll only be useless or k@k as you label them.... IF you gain your independence, which I know won't happen so therefore they aren't useless or k@k..

Sorry for you, but that was a Logic Fail on your part...
 
Well, no they'll only be useless or k@k as you label them.... IF you gain your independence, which I know won't happen so therefore they aren't useless or k@k..

Sorry for you, but that was a Logic Fail on your part...

Ha, if you say so dude, thats right, screen your reality till it makes sense.
Id rather live in an Independent Cape Republic free from whats obviously a tyranny we live in.
 
There are about 50 murders a day in South Africa, and three times that number of rapes.

So how is gaining independence from the SA going to solve that problem?

Nearly all murders robberies and rapes in the WC are committed from people that reside in the WC. Suddenly defining borders and border control isn't going to help with the problems which are essentially internal.

This independence sh*t is just going to create more problems for the whole of SA. The Cape Party seems to be an elitist right wing movement that likes to shove its opinion on everyone. They will only do more damage than good... even though some of their beliefs may be in good faith, the rest are completely unfounded and ridiculous.
 
I dont want to be apart from the rest of South Africa...

Just think how crap WC vs SA would be in Rugby ;) The cricket will do okay...
 
So how is gaining independence from the SA going to solve that problem?

Nearly all murders robberies and rapes in the WC are committed from people that reside in the WC. Suddenly defining borders and border control isn't going to help with the problems which are essentially internal.

This independence sh*t is just going to create more problems for the whole of SA. The Cape Party seems to be an elitist right wing movement that likes to shove its opinion on everyone. They will only do more damage than good... even though some of their beliefs may be in good faith, the rest are completely unfounded and ridiculous.


How many burglaries, killings or rapes did we have 10 years ago here in the Cape? A well governed Cape can only be achieved if we are governing ourselves on National level WITHOUT interference for political reasons which only serve to cripple us. Only this will ENSURE future prosperity and stability.

If this govt. had the best intentions toward the Cape's ppl it would not sit back while their are elements within the said govt. which wish to destabalise us in order to punish us for not voting for them. I would say that the govt. has then vetoed its right to speak for the people of the Cape, (who did not vote for them,) and should also therefore, if nothing changes, become illegitimate.

There is nothing right-wing about secession, your pre-conditioned views on what are right and left have followed you since the days of apartheid, and the only way to truly get rid of it is to seperate yourself from it:

I refer again to the CP manifesto:

►1. The deepest questions of human liberty and government facing our time go beyond right and left, and in fact have made the old left-right split meaningless and dead.

►2. Any political entity has the right to separate itself from a larger body of which it is a part and peaceably to establish its independence as a free and legitimate state in the eyes of the world.

While secession movements in the past from the RSA were racially motivated and outdated, ours is a call to ALL who truly believe that we have CHOICE and that freedom is worth fighting for.
 
"AIMS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE PARTY

The aims and objectives of the Party shall be as follows:

To use any legal and institutional means available in terms of and under the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa to promote and cause the enactment of a constitutional amendment returning the Cape of Good Hope to the independence and self-government enjoyed before it voted to join voluntarily the Union of South Africa in 1910.
To promote and encourage the development of the people spiritually, economically, educationally and politically.
To promote and encourage within the Parliament of the Republic of South Africa and throughout society a greater measure of free, critical and independent thinking, untying the political discourse from the chains of dogmas, ignorance and political correctness.
To eradicate all forms of corruption, exploitation and intimidation of man by man, fighting and opposing the ancient as well as the modern evils of government and all forms of social injustice.
To bring about the transformation of our society and system of government to ensure the long-term protection of political, economic, social and cultural pluralism.
To ensure equal and effective access to all available social, economic and political opportunities and equal treatment for all people in all walks of life.
To cooperate with any movement or organization acting for the improvement of the conditions of the people.
To reach the real and factual elimination from our society of all forms of discrimination based on race, origin, sex, colour or creed.
To protect, encourage and promote free trade, commerce, industry and agriculture, along with the conservation and rational use of natural resources.
To encourage all citizens to participate actively in all sectors of the economy and social life, and to promote the concept of participatory democracy with respect to the activities of any government.
To work for the entrenchment of a just Bill of Rights reflecting the highest standards of individual and collective human rights protection.
To foster a consciousness of patriotism and a strong sense of unity in diversity, based on a common loyalty to our land, especially the Cape of Good Hope.
To propagate among our people the spirit of self-help and self-reliance.
To cooperate locally and internationally with all parties and organizations which work for international peace and a worldwide open society based on the complete eradication of all forms of national and international oppression and on the recognition of cultural and national diversities.
To restore and maintain the safe streets, schools and workplaces, especially in the Cape of Good Hope; coming down on the side of the victim and restoring the death penalty.
To bring back our once fine schools, world-renowned hospitals and our spirit of pride in all that used to be good and envied in the Cape of Good Hope.
To promote and support worthy customs and cultures of the Cape of Good Hope while protecting the plural nature of our society.
To give effect to the principles approved from time to time by the appropriate organs of the Party.
To carry out any other activities which in the opinion of the Party are conducive to the attainment of the aims and objectives of the Party and to do such things as are incidental to the attainment of the above aims and objectives."

Cape Party Manifesto
Chapter 1
 
To use any legal and institutional means available in terms of and under the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa to promote and cause the enactment of a constitutional amendment returning the Cape of Good Hope to the independence and self-government enjoyed before it voted to join voluntarily the Union of South Africa in 1910.

Finally you define the borders you're looking for... At least they have SOME historic grounding now. Problem is you now need 50%+1 of roughly 20m people to vote for your party to get the independence you're looking for, and well thats not going to happen, no matter how hard you campaign.

The rest of those aims and objectives are wishy washy nonsense that every political party puts out there but never means to follow.
 
►1. The deepest questions of human liberty and government facing our time go beyond right and left, and in fact have made the old left-right split meaningless and dead.

►2. Any political entity has the right to separate itself from a larger body of which it is a part and peaceably to establish its independence as a free and legitimate state in the eyes of the world.

Ok point one, explain yourself... making a statement like that means sweet FA unless its explained.

Point two, yes any political entity is welcome to seperate itself from a larger body in a peaceful way, but you can think again if you think you're going to get a part of this country without having to fight for it...
 
So how is gaining independence from the SA going to solve that problem?

Nearly all murders robberies and rapes in the WC are committed from people that reside in the WC. Suddenly defining borders and border control isn't going to help with the problems which are essentially internal.

This independence sh*t is just going to create more problems for the whole of SA. The Cape Party seems to be an elitist right wing movement that likes to shove its opinion on everyone. They will only do more damage than good... even though some of their beliefs may be in good faith, the rest are completely unfounded and ridiculous.

Please explain? They are hardly right wing, you're bringing race into this and it's not about race.
 
Problem is you now need 50%+1 of roughly 20m people to vote for your party to get the independence you're looking for, and well thats not going to happen, no matter how hard you campaign.

Depends on how you approach it. If you can convince the ANC that South Africa will be better off without the counter-revolutionaries from the Cape, you may just be able to sell it to the rest of their sheep like supporters. Hell you can even bribe a few leaders;)
 
I really doubt the ANC will ever just gladly hand over a portion of the country, including the 3rd biggest provincial economy because of "counter-revolutionaries"....
 
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