Andile going too far

TheJman said:
and the Holocaust didn't actually really happen right, 6 million Jews, including 1.5 million Jewish CHILDREN, weren't actually murdered, just used by nazi guards to incite fear ... right?
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The holocaust unequivocally happened and 6 million Jews were killed, along with the Romani, homosexuals, disabled, ethnic Slav, Russians and Poles. This was undeniably directed by Hitler, carried out by his subordinates like Himmler, Heydrich and so on.

I have been to Auschwitz. I am no denier.

If you go to Auschwitz you will see the story about the lampshades and soap yourself.
 
Garson007 said:
1. In criticism of Zille's tweet, yes - I would have been okay with it. It would actually be quite apt. However, not as absurd as referencing the holocaust.
2. No, I think the dude would be in a lot of trouble. I think Andile is in a lot of trouble too...
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do you think he'll be in as much trouble as a white person would be for making similar comments about black people, or using the k word? Do you think Andile's life will be threatened by mass number of angry people on social media?
 
konfab said:
The part about lampshades was a myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin

The soap part:
http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/human-fat-was-used-to-produce-soap-in-gdansk-during-the-war,55.html

Saying these two things were B.S doesn't mean that the holocaust was B.S.
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Agreed. That is what I said. I have been to Auschwitz. The holocaust happened.

Holocaust deniers do often use these two mythologies to provide arguments to try deny that the Holocaust did not happen.

However, the MOUNTAIN of evidence is indisputable. The holocaust happened and 6 Million Jews along with millions of ethic Poles, Russians, Romani, disabled and homosexual persons were systematically murdered by the Nazis.
 
buka001 said:
The holocaust unequivocally happened and 6 million Jews were killed, along with the Romani, homosexuals, disabled, ethnic Slav, Russians and Poles. This was undeniably directed by Hitler, carried out by his subordinates like Himmler, Heydrich and so on.

I have been to Auschwitz. I am no denier.

If you go to Auschwitz you will see the story about the lampshades and soap yourself.
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Please accept my apologies, I jumped to a conclusion based off the number of Holocaust deniers I have come across and sadly (and wrongly) read your message and assumed and you know what happens when we make assumptions...

Thanks for the clarification
 
TheJman said:
do you think he'll be in as much trouble as a white person would be for making similar comments about black people, or using the k word? Do you think Andile's life will be threatened by mass number of angry people on social media?
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No, I do not think we are all currently equal under law / social rules. That's a problem. It's also completely off topic.
 
Garson007 said:
No, I do not think we are all currently equal under law / social rules. That's a problem. It's also completely off topic.
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It's 100% on topic.

Andile has gone too far, but will not face censure commensurate with what a white person would face for similar sentiments against black people.
 
TheJman said:
Please accept my apologies, I jumped to a conclusion based off the number of Holocaust deniers I have come across and sadly (and wrongly) read your message and assumed and you know what happens when we make assumptions...

Thanks for the clarification
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No problem. I have done the same myself. I am very sensitive on the Holocaust and absolutely abhor deniers and tend to react very quickly myself.

:)
 
buka001 said:
No problem. I have done the same myself. I am very sensitive on the Holocaust and absolutely abhor deniers and tend to react very quickly myself.

:)
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Haha! Just shows, can't be quick to pass judgement.... maybe Andile is just retarded and needs medical help?
 
Sinbad said:
It's 100% on topic.

Andile has gone too far, but will not face censure commensurate with what a white person would face for similar sentiments against black people.
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I guess it is on topic if you're obsessed about being a victim.
 
Garson007 said:
I guess it is on topic if you're obsessed about being a victim.
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Lol. I started the thread, I should know what is on topic. I guess you're just obsessed with being a racist?
 
Sinbad said:
It's 100% on topic.

Andile has gone too far, but will not face censure commensurate with what a white person would face for similar sentiments against black people.
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*yawn* poor snowflakes need a safe space.
Fact is he only said this to highlight Zilles tweet which also went 'too far'.
 
Sinbad said:
You apply different behavioural standards to black and white people. What is that, if not racist?
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I emphatically do not. I've already said I would have been okay with a white guy doing the same with Apartheid. His skin colour means nothing to me.
 
C4Cat said:
*yawn* poor snowflakes need a safe space.
Fact is he only said this to highlight Zilles tweet which also went 'too far'.
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It is a stupid comparison given the two things he mentioned don't really exist. Whereas the stuff Zille was talking about:
I turned my mind from problems to possible solutions. LKY’s success was based on the only resource his country had: “People who were hard-working, thrifty, eager to learn”.

He combined this with a relentless future focus, uncompromising meritocracy, zero tolerance for corruption, and a determination to build on the institutional foundations the colonists had left behind, particularly the English language, the sea port, and the nascent, cash-based trading system.

At the time, his approach was totally counterintuitive. The conventional wisdom – nay, incontrovertible truth back then – was that multinational corporations represented the evil face of colonialism, “exploiters of cheap land, labour, and raw materials”. (The South African equivalent today is White Monopoly Capital). 32

While LKY understood this discourse, he had no time for ideology.

“We had a real life problem to solve,” he wrote, “and we could not be conscribed by any theory or dogma”.
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Singapore turned to the free market that was left behind in the wake of colonialism. South Africa is turning to the ramblings of a German theorist who never worked a day in his life.
 
Grant said:
if nothing else, mngxitama's comment illustrates the disaster that was bantu education
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Was Bantu Education such a disaster, especially when compared to the present state of rainbow education?

The Bantu Education system, which was implemented by the apartheid government, turned out Dr Mamphela Ramphele, Kgalema Motlanthe, Tokyo Sexwale, Blade Nzimande, Menzi Simelane, Gwede Mantashe, Zwelinzima Vavi, Thuli Madonsela, Sizwe Mchunu, Dr Zweli Mkhize and Mangosuthu Buthelezi, to name only a few.

All of the above have worthwhile degrees that are acceptable anywhere in the world and I would bet that, given a choice, they would prefer their kids to have a Bantu rather than an ANC education.
 
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