Andile going too far

nightjar said:
What did you not understand?

I mentioned colonialism in the Western Cape lasting for 342 years (1994 - 1652 years)
From the time of the second British occupation of the Cape in 1806 the Boers had become increasingly unhappy with laws passed by the new power and this prompted the great trek of 1835 over a ten year period.

Until the British occupation the Boers were happy in the Cape and had no inclination to leave but the territory that they moved into was mostly a desolate wasteland due to the marauding impis of Shaka and Mzilikaze.

Colonialism effectively started in 1879 with the British victory at the Battle of Ulundi.
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But what is your point you're trying to make with your history lesson? Colonialism wasn't limited to the Western Cape, South Africa or even Africa...
 
Emjay said:
You have now lambasted Zille's tweet numerous times, but defend the racist uttering of this lunatic. Both were in the wrong. You however seem to only find one side to be at fault here.
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The second tweet cannot be taken out of context of the first tweet. In a vacuum this second tweet is morally a lot worse (like a lot!), but it's not a moral argument at this point.
 
Stupid comments remain stupid, no matter how they are supposedly justified.
Offending people by their race, gender , religion or life preference cannot be defended on the basis of trying to make a point.
 
C4Cat said:
Look, I'm descended from Jews who escaped Germany, and their entire families were killed in Auschwitz, so I know all about the Holocaust. That doesn't change what I said or make what I said incorrect.
Note, I did not say it was a valid comparison or that it was a correct comparison...
I simply pointed out the obvious for all those on myBB who might have missed what he was doing - taking Zilles tweet, replacing colonialism with Holocaust and changing the so called positives. And doing it with the intention of showing what a stupid thing it was for her to say. All that is correct and on point...
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Could have fooled me :rolleyes:
 
His tweet is largely based on an oversized myth.

There is little to no evidence that any Jewish people's skin was used as lampshades at all during WW2.

With regards to the soap, some soap was allegedly made on a small scale in very limited amounts. The myth was mostly propagated by Nazi guards to incite fear from the prisoners.

However, Andile doesn't know this and in the context he has used this, is deplorable and reprehensible.
 
buka001 said:
His tweet is largely based on an oversized myth.

There is little to no evidence that any Jewish people's skin was used as lampshades at all during WW2.

With regards to the soap, some soap was allegedly made on a small scale in very limited amounts. The myth was mostly propagated by Nazi guards to incite fear from the prisoners.

However, Andile doesn't know this and in the context he has used this, is deplorable and reprehensible.
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and the Holocaust didn't actually really happen right, 6 million Jews, including 1.5 million Jewish CHILDREN, weren't actually murdered, just used by nazi guards to incite fear ... right?
 
Garson007 said:
I disagree, but fair point to you.
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So If a white person stood up and said something similar in relation to Apartheid to make a point...

1. Would you think it's okay
2. Do you think that individual would still have a job the next day - and how many people would be calling for his death?
 
TheJman said:
and the Holocaust didn't actually really happen right, 6 million Jews, including 1.5 million Jewish CHILDREN, weren't actually murdered, just used by nazi guards to incite fear ... right?
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Really? did he say that no.
 
TheJman said:
and the Holocaust didn't actually really happen right, 6 million Jews, including 1.5 million Jewish CHILDREN, weren't actually murdered, just used by nazi guards to incite fear ... right?
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The part about lampshades was a myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin

The soap part:
http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/human-fat-was-used-to-produce-soap-in-gdansk-during-the-war,55.html

Saying these two things were B.S doesn't mean that the holocaust was B.S.
 
For those that are interested, the wikipedia article on this goes into detail and the Nazis did experiment with it, but did not mass produce the soap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses
During the 20th century, there were various alleged instances of soap being made from human body fat. During World War I it was claimed in the British press that the Germans had a corpse factory in which they used the bodies of their own soldiers to make glycerine and soap. After the war the British government accepted that the stories were untrue. During World War II it was believed that soap was being mass-produced from the bodies of the victims of Nazi concentration camps located in German-occupied Poland. While not mass-produced, the production of soap from human bodies by Nazis was undertaken on small scale.[1]

The Yad Vashem Memorial has stated that the Nazis did not produce soap from Jewish corpses on an industrial scale, saying that rumors that soap from human corpses was mass-produced and distributed were deliberately used by the Nazis to frighten camp inmates.[2][3][4]

Evidence was presented at the postwar Nuremberg trials that German researchers had developed a process for the production of soap from human bodies.[5][6]
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This doesn't in any way justify the tweet and Andile Mnxitama should be taken to court over it. Freedom of speech does not give one the freedom to offend people.
 
TheJman said:
1. Would you think it's okay
2. Do you think that individual would still have a job the next day - and how many people would be calling for his death?
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1. In criticism of Zille's tweet, yes - I would have been okay with it. It would actually be quite apt. However, not as absurd as referencing the holocaust.
2. No, I think the dude would be in a lot of trouble. I think Andile is in a lot of trouble too...
 
Electron1 said:
For those that are interested, the wikipedia article on this goes into detail and the Nazis did experiment with it, but did not mass produce the soap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses


This doesn't in any way justify the tweet and Andile Mnxitama should be taken to court over it. Freedom of speech does not give one the freedom to offend people.
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It was a Koch woman married to General or Camp warden or something iirc. She used tattooed prisoners or something to that effect.
 
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