Android will dominate for the next 5 years

[JStrike]

What's clear is that Apple's stalwarts will buy anything Apple and so too for Samsung stalwarts buying anything Samsung.

If the phone was truly such a stellar delivery then please explain the following contradiction:
When Apple fails to meet it's quarterly results the stock market react negatively; yet the iPhone 4S was depicted as underwhelming ito expectations, by most editorial articles.

Similarly Samsung's S3 is also being recorded as a less than stellar delivery, but nevertheless it will be a stellar marketing success for Samsung (Market share shows us that Android users prefer Samsung).

Anyway that's enough said on this topic, in the end it's a perspective thing -- you have yours and I have mine.

The numbers alone say it is not just stalwarts from either Apple or Samsung.

As for editorials saying the iPhone 4S was underwhelming, is clearly the journalist completely not understanding the market.
As for the Galaxy S3, the market still has to decide whether it is a great or not. Tech journalists just report from their perspective. Often they are right, but sometimes they are wrong.

Not arguing with you, just having a discussion

 

[[)roi(]]

The numbers alone say it is not just stalwarts from either Apple or Samsung.

As for editorials saying the iPhone 4S was underwhelming, is clearly the journalist completely not understanding the market.
As for the Galaxy S3, the market still has to decide whether it is a great or not. Tech journalists just report from their perspective. Often they are right, but sometimes they are wrong.

Not arguing with you, just having a discussion

Well if I owned a Nokia or BB, I'd have no choice but to choose either of the 2 top phones even if the editors said they were less than stellar; see my point (yes the statistics support this move i.e. both Samsung and Apple have grown market share) -- you'll have your opinion and I'll have mine...

I agree however that both the manufacturers are very successful. Samsung with Market share and Apple with Profit share... Clearly Apple's shareholder's prefer their shares.

 

[Park@82]

Almost no one has the latest version of Android.

After I read that, I knew this guy had an agenda.

Yay, I'm almost no one.

 

[JStrike]

Yay, I'm almost no one.

You are one of the 5%

 

[[)roi(]]

Yay, I'm almost no one.

Kinda sucks doesn't it

 

[zamicro]

... I.e. more competition means we'll have less disappointments like iPhone 4S, iPad 3 and the recently launched Samsung Galaxy S3 --- all IMO failed with crappy or underwhelming upgrades.

More competition means the consumer wins.

 

[sand_man]

We spoilt rotten to the point where our expectations are unrealistic.

 

[[)roi(]]

We spoilt rotten to the point where our expectations are unrealistic.

Whenever technology goes backward (in this case the display, size, and design / materials) it should not be justified as unrealistic.

It's sad when this is a justification for a poor delivery...

 

[cerebus]

There was nothing disappointing whatsoever about the iPad3. Go to IC and play with one, hold it next to the iPad2's on the same shelf and the difference is immediately noticeable. What's disappointing has been the spate of Android tablets that were meant to be the iPad 'killers' - the muddy Xooms, innumerable Tabs, half-baked Transformer Primes, generic crappy Chinese models and so forth. The iPhone 4s might be considered a disappointment by the same metric that the iPhone 3GS was 'disappointing' next to the 3G - same body, same screen, faster performance - but the market doesn't seem to care particularly.

 

[[)roi(]]

There was nothing disappointing whatsoever about the iPad3. Go to IC and play with one, hold it next to the iPad2's on the same shelf and the difference is immediately noticeable. What's disappointing has been the spate of Android tablets that were meant to be the iPad 'killers' - the muddy Xooms, innumerable Tabs, half-baked Transformer Primes, generic crappy Chinese models and so forth. The iPhone 4s might be considered a disappointment by the same metric that the iPhone 3GS was 'disappointing' next to the 3G - same body, same screen, faster performance - but the market doesn't seem to care particularly.

I have owned one for almost as long as it has been available, hence my comment should not be seen as simply fickle. (oh and btw I also own an iPad2 so able to compare without IC)

Aside from the nice display, it has taken a few steps backward... and therein lies my disappointment I.e. I prefer not to get something new at the loss of something else: (increased weight / thickness, reduced battery life, and it runs hotter)

I have similar concerns about my 4S which lost quite a bit of battery duration.

The fact that I am disappointed by Apple's recent devices, does not mean I want to get another one of the competitors devices; FYI I own a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 -- so without a doubt it is the biggest piece of crap I have ever bought -- but the fact that Apple's competitors are producing crap doesn't IMO justify losing features to gain something new feature.

 

[sand_man]

Aside from the nice display, it has taken a few steps backward... and therein lies my disappointment I.e. I prefer not to get something new at the loss of something else: (increased weight / thickness, reduced battery life, and it runs hotter)

But that's what I mean by unrealistic expectations.

Quad core GPU, retina display, 4G-LTE, yes it's going to run hotter, yes it's going to be more taxing on the battery, yes it might be heavier and thicker, for Gods sakes...

It's .6mm thicker and 51grams heavier. You telling me that's a deal breaker?? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

It runs hotter and I tell you what, it seems a lot hotter than the iPad 2. I was never conscious of the 2 emitting heat but I am on the new iPad. Even with a cover on it's pronounced. Not a deal breaker but something to consider.

Look, I know where you coming from, but I just think we need to manage expectations.

For me the weight gain, temp gain and .6mm increase in thickness is acceptable given the gpu, retina display and 4G.

Battery life for me is 10 hours as advertised. Yes, it seems to take longer to charge but it's a 42.5watt battery vs 25watt in the 2 so again acceptable trade off!!!
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Or am I being unreasonable and ignorant?

 

[NN123]

+1

+2

 

[sand_man]

-3 = 0

 

[[)roi(]]

Or am I being unreasonable and ignorant?

Yes you are, unreasonable to expect everyone is going to agree with your view.

If I bought a newer model of a popular car, and it lost consumption effectiveness and was more difficult to handle then of course I'd be disappointed...

The fact that it is Apple making these blatant faux pas's does not make it acceptable in my book and never will.

IMO Apple for lack of good competition is be becoming far too complacent...

 

[bwana]

Aside from the nice display, it has taken a few steps backward... and therein lies my disappointment I.e. I prefer not to get something new at the loss of something else: (increased weight / thickness, reduced battery life, and it runs hotter)

We're not in the position to appreciate the one feature many are holding in greater regard than the screen and that's LTE. For them the extra 55g and [a massive] 0.6mm must be a small price to pay.

 

[[)roi(]]

We're not in the position to appreciate the one feature many are holding in greater regard than the screen and that's LTE. For them the extra 55g and [a massive] 0.6mm must be a small price to pay.

+1

Yet even with that I would still see this as an unfortunate step backward in some areas, but I agree that the lack of accommodation for anything but the US in this regard is being very negatively perceived across the globe, this is not what we've become used to from Apple...

FYI on something i can comment on, my battery life; on the iPad 2, although advertised as 10 hours I was used to exceeding 12 hours... Now I'm lucky to get 10 hours if I keep the brightness turned all the way down.

Steve Jobs was also the one to say that to get that additional reduction in thickness and weight was very challenging;

Considering the iPhone 4S and the 3rd IPad I think we have lost the benefit of his critical eye I.e. I think we could have received the same new bits without having to sacrifice anything in the process.

 

[cerebus]

Considering the iPhone 4S and the 3rd IPad I think we have lost the benefit of his critical eye I.e. I think we could have received the same new bits without having to sacrifice anything in the process.

What land do you hail from where increased processing speed comes with no heat or size cost? Something has to feed that screen resolution, and there's no way the iPad2 GPU could have kept up with it. And LTE cards are bigger and hotter than 3G. They would have most likely had to wait for a die shrink to put the screen in without compromising on battery, thickness or heat - and meanwhile the same people who called the iPad3 a disappointment would have claimed that they were falling behind because they weren't updating their screens in time with the competition.

 

[[)roi(]]

What land do you hail from where increased processing speed comes with no heat or size cost? Something has to feed that screen resolution, and there's no way the iPad2 GPU could have kept up with it. And LTE cards are bigger and hotter than 3G. They would have most likely had to wait for a die shrink to put the screen in without compromising on battery, thickness or heat - and meanwhile the same people who called the iPad3 a disappointment would have claimed that they were falling behind because they weren't updating their screens in time with the competition.

You misconstrue Apple actions related to its hardware competitiveness with Samsung as a necessary evil.
Sorry I don't agree!

Btw LTE is a bad example, and you should know that.

So ask yourself why didn't they wait for die shrinkage, as that would clearly have been the better option for the consumer...

So please stop trying to fool yourself into believing Apple's actions and other Supplier's actions are taken with the consumer's best interest in mind.

You end off your comment, on the same page as me I.e. they had no choice but to do this to ensure marketing success, however that doesn't mean it's a great one for the consumer...

Yes that's where we differ in opinion...

I think it's a crap delivery that only serves to make them appear to be more competitive and to ensure their continued marketing successes...

A great technology advancement it is not!

 

[cerebus]

So.... customer has 2 choices:
1) Wait another year for a die shrink for Apple to produce a truly compromise-free retina iPad with LTE.
2) Take a slightly thicker (to the point where most v2 cases still work), slightly warmer, slightly poorer battery life retina LTE version today.

And you think that making them wait would have been better for the consumer? Really?

 

[[)roi(]]

So.... customer has 2 choices:
1) Wait another year for a die shrink for Apple to produce a truly compromise-free retina iPad with LTE.
2) Take a slightly thicker (to the point where most v2 cases still work), slightly warmer, slightly poorer battery life retina LTE version today.

And you think that making them wait would have been better for the consumer? Really?

Yes I do... Saving money for something worthwhile is never a bad choice.

Sadly we've allowed an Android thread to denigrate into an iThingy debate...

Best we stop now before we waste each other's time any further and allow this thread to further denigrate from the original purpose of this thread.

Btw Let's agree this is going no where... and leave it with a case where we both agree to disagree OK?