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cerebus
Honorary Master
[)roi(];8193021 said:
Oh... so in 5 years since 2007 they managed to introduce three world-changing products - but in the six months since Steve Jobs's death Tim Cook, most likely following a carefully curated plan outlined by Jobs, has failed to create a similarly revolutionary product - and this is evidence of complacency? Ok..
Stop just looking at the Apple bit; the same applies to Samsung: the Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Note & S3 (monster phones) are IMO similarly examples of this crap trend...
I.e. I feel the industry has fallen into a similar type of rut to where mobile phones and desktop computing previously were, basically we need a catalyst to instigate the next leap forward.
Elimentals
Honorary Master
[)roi(];8193915 said:
Sometimes I just wonder if its not us that cause the rut in our minds. Kind of like how the 1st computer fair was a "WOW" event.... then because we live in the tech day in and day out it became so boring.
Its compared to what the average man sees as "WOW" has become "Oh yeah that, thats so last year." for us.
Could be?, stopped going to Comdex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMDEX for the similar reasons (the woman in skimpy attire were kinda nice and the fact that porndex occurred during the same time in Las Vegas, until they put a stop to all things booth babes
)
So in the end it was just lots of companies exhibiting but nothing fundamentally changing each year and you tire of Las Vegas after the 2nd or 3rd visit (well maybe just me as I don't gamble, shows were great though...but not the morbidly obese people equipped with motorized "wheel chairs"; 400kg+ moving at pace is never a good thing
)
I've started finding the same with Apple's WWDC, hence this year I'm not going!
Will however miss the great Jazz clubs in SF.
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sand_man
Honorary Master
[)roi(];8193231 said:
It's obvious the bottleneck to progress lies with battery capacity.
2 to 3 years ago we were getting 4-5 days out of a single charge from your average cellphone.
Today's top end smartphone, without doctoring (Elimentals), barely makes it past 24 hours.
What is the average consumer prepared to tolerate?
We've seen diminishing returns over the last 3 years re battery life and for the most part the consumer has absorbed these with little complaint (acceptable compromise given the functionality of the modern smart phone) and but once you start hitting sub 24 hour standby times with moderate usage, you risk alienating your customer.
And you can apply this to any portable device...
Elimentals
Honorary Master
LOL Oi make no mistake, I can suck my Xperia Dry in under 4 hours(Damn Games)... so yes I get what you saying.
Thing is, we will have to make the leap to chemical reactive(thermal) batteries for the next step and at the rate people dispose of things today, I don't think that is a good idea at all.
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sand_man
Honorary Master
And if we cannot increase battery capacities we must decrease charging times.... and drastically!!!![)roi(];8194119 said:
Charging times have already been reduced http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7938001.stm?
We need both to get smaller and more compact energy cells... We today generate more power than we need and have no reliable means to store excess or unused energy.
/EDIT other alternative is Cambridge Crude http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/13/cambridge-crude-mit-battery_n_875996.html
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sand_man
Honorary Master
[)roi(];8194159 said:
Well, there's the answer there. Just a question of time.
So the technique used in the article above results in reduced capacities where a battery charged in 20 seconds to a capacity previously attainable in 6 minutes!!!!
So a cellphone battery that takes 120 minutes to charge from 0-100% would theoretically take 4 minutes.
Not sure about you but I could live with that.
Add to that, the batteries engineered in the technique do not suffer diminishing returns as they age!!!!!
F uck me...
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Yip, that sounds perfect to me
Btw I edited my post and added in an alternative called Cambridge Crude, basically works similar to petrol, I.e. pump in a fresh charge; this one is far more compatible with our current service station tech.
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Sadly not as long as you'd like... The fact that they increased the size, means that they most probably were struggling to maintain an equivalent time to the S2
. Similar case to the iPad 3... Thicker and heavier
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cerebus
Honorary Master
I don't think battery life is the main factor limiting progress of phones. I rather think the technology has reached a bit of a stasis point where there just aren't that many more places to go with what we have. We now have retina-quality phones that are incredibly fast and have scaled out to be about as big as a phone can tolerably be. We've been in a faster-than-Moore's Law upgrade cycle with smartphones for a few years now. It's getting much harder to differentiate a new top-range smartphone, which is what the SGS3 is primarily suffering from - compared to the Nexus it just doesn't stand out enough. HTC is pursuing better chassis materials which is one avenue that Apple's always benefited from. But Samsung's focus seems to be towards software features - photos, social integration and so forth.
Same debates were occurring prior to our last catalyst (the IPhone)... This time I wouldn't want to wait that long -- so next catalyst please
The S3 is not just suffering from tech stalemates; it's also ugly and huge (the Nexus or S2 IMO have more appeal sadly)
Battery is most certainly a problem, realistically the only reason why we have extra large monster phones...
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cerebus
Honorary Master
Don't really agree that battery life is the reason for phones becoming so large. It's more the burden that flagship models carry to be gratuitous displays of tech limitations. Whereas Apple's always bypassed that and targeted the mainstream ideal - which arguably it's behind on now, 3.5' being probably too small these days.
Btw here's an interesting article on the G3 design.
Can I say that Samsung really just doesn't have any taste for style? And maybe it's always been the case but the SGS and S2 were such great phones that we overlooked it? But their software design is terrible and always has been. Sense at least has a basic aesthetic language.
Btw here's an interesting article on the G3 design.
Can I say that Samsung really just doesn't have any taste for style? And maybe it's always been the case but the SGS and S2 were such great phones that we overlooked it? But their software design is terrible and always has been. Sense at least has a basic aesthetic language.
Elimentals
Honorary Master
The big difference between the two is and always will be form vs function.
Apple products and users place form over function, every time. If something doesn't look pretty or works in a user friendly matter Apple will exclude it and their users love them for it.
Android products focus on function and make form something to think about later and you know what their users love them for it. Add everyting including the kitchen sink, and worry about making it look nice or smooth on another day.
Apple products and users place form over function, every time. If something doesn't look pretty or works in a user friendly matter Apple will exclude it and their users love them for it.
Android products focus on function and make form something to think about later and you know what their users love them for it. Add everyting including the kitchen sink, and worry about making it look nice or smooth on another day.
cerebus
Honorary Master
Somewhat... I wouldn't say Apple OR Android users love them for it though lol. Android was an ugly mess for far too long, and iOS was missing key functionality - and arguably still is. Personally I think Apple needs to redefine their mobile UI again, it's far too stale.
I give you that, but allow me my opinion too I.e. more power hungry components need more battery.
I personally don't like any monster phones as they so much remind me too much of the pinnacle of crap HP made with iPaqs, and they don't fit into any pockets; what do you have to do, start carrying a handbag?
I really think Palm/Treo without HP could have made something out of WebOS. HP has a history of buying things only to screw them up.
Apple's backward step with the iPad 3 IMO is also nothing to go by btw (only the next logical step, hence my thoughts on complacency).
I can agree Samsung has displayed more poor design taste vs Apple; but they have when properly challenged shown some really great stuff (look for example, how fast they pushed display tech, ...)
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