Apple has lost it's innovation

when the iPhone came out, what was its direct rival? I cant remember that far back :o

I'm not sure either - but a smartphone that can't do the basic is hardly a smartphone.

Phones were out years earlier that did 3G and all smartphones before that could multitask, MMS, copy etc. I had a Palm Treo 650 and 680, and the iPhone was a step backwards in terms of smartphone capability. After those, I jumped straight into this Samsung... which was with a few months (same era of the iPhone).

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i780-2124.php

Chalk and cheese in smartphone capabilites - the Samsung walked all over it

Of course I lacked the cool factor, but I could do 10x more
 
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I'm not sure either - but a smartphone that can't do the basic is hardly a smartphone.

Phones were out years earlier that did 3G and all smartphones before that could multitask, MMS, copy etc. I had a Palm Treo 650 and 680, and the iPhone was a step backwards in terms of smartphone capability. After those, I jumped straight into this Samsung... which was with a few months (same era of the iPhone).

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i780-2124.php

Chalk and cheese in smartphone capabilites - the Samsung walked all over it

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i780-2124.php

Of course I lacked the cool factor, but I could do 10x more

3G?? That tech that sucked battery in exchange for faster downloads? No, only the geek-world cared a lot about. The market spoke and said it cared about functionality more than tech specs
 
3G?? That tech that sucked battery in exchange for faster downloads? No, only the geek-world cared a lot about. The market spoke and said it cared about functionality more than tech specs

Oh please ...

You're saying that because you didn't have it.

The minute you don't have a feature or even lag behind, it's not important to you ... until Apple upgrades then it's the best thing and something you can brag about
 
Oh please ...

You're saying that because you didn't have it.

The minute you don't have a feature or even lag behind, it's not important to you ... until Apple upgrades then it's the best thing and something you can brag about

+ 1. :D
 
Oh please ...

You're saying that because you didn't have it.

The minute you don't have a feature or even lag behind, it's not important to you ... until Apple upgrades then it's the best thing and something you can brag about

flash player support ;)
 
Oh please ...

You're saying that because you didn't have it.

The minute you don't have a feature or even lag behind, it's not important to you ... until Apple upgrades then it's the best thing and something you can brag about

Nope. It just really wasn't important to me. I had 3G in the Sony Ericsson I had prior to the iPhone. But the Safari browser on the iPhone was just so much better than Opera et al that I didn't for one second notice
 
Nope. It just really wasn't important to me. I had 3G in the Sony Ericsson I had prior to the iPhone. By the Safari browser on the iPhone was just so much better than opera et al that I didn't for one second notice

no offense dude, but regardless of browser... If you cant notice the difference when browsing on 3G vs EDGE/GPRS...

:wtf:
 
Nope. It just really wasn't important to me. I had 3G in the Sony Ericsson I had prior to the iPhone. By the Safari browser on the iPhone was just so much better than opera et al that I didn't for one second notice

... my guess is that copy/paste was not important either?
... nor multitasking?
... or MMS back then?

My guess is that when 3G came out, you started using it all the time too
 
Apple is a high-end electronics company, not a charity. This is as ridiculous as asking why Ferrari doesn't make a R10 000 car.


As to innovation, 75% of Apple's revenue comes from product lines that didn't exist 5 years ago. Care to name another company who can claim anything near that?

You see, while I agree with you when you looking at it from afar. But the reality is that Apple is in a very different position to companies like Ferrari, BMW, etc. Infact, its one of a very few companies to be in the position they are in. From a business profitability point of view, they're rocking. Their business model is sound, and its a cash cow. So I understand your reasoning when you say - why change anything?

Well here's the difference.

Apple, unlike most of the companies mentioned for comparisons sake, produces cutting edge hardware and software, empowering those who use their devices to have access to knowledge on the tip of their fingers. Apple is also a top innovator, with multiple awards over the years. Apple is in a position to change lives.

Apple are at the forefront (whether they like it or not - cannibalisation of their own desktops) of the downfall of the wide-spread usage of PC's. Laptops are becoming more prevelant and so too are tablets. In Africa, and in most cases, prices and customer confidence dictate the growth and adoption rates of these newer devices. Of course, education is a major player as always. We've recently seen the ultra cheap (and lean) Akash tablet being released in India. Here we had a small group of innovators creating a device to serve the less-fortunate who would never have even had access to a PC yet alone the internet.

I guess what I'm leading towards is that Apple should be innovating above and beyond what they've seemed to settle for. They're in a position to leverage off their skills to create a device to uplift those who would have never had the opportunity otherwise. And if you talk revenue, I'm sure the business case guru's could come up with a feasible and highly profitable scenario. If I'm correct, Nokia still makes truckloads of money from the sales of their lower-end (dumb) phones. So perhaps there is a commercially viable case, and perhaps not. I'm not sure, but I'm sure that award winning innovators and trend setters could figure this out...
 
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no offense dude, but regardless of browser... If you cant notice the difference when browsing on 3G vs EDGE/GPRS...

:wtf:

I can now. At the time, Opera on 3G was a rubbish experience. Safari on EDGE was much better.
And sacrificing battery life was just not worth it
 
What Apple has managed to cram into this tablet is just incredible

Not really that spectacular. Compare the newewestest ipad to the Huawei MediaPad that was announced at MWC2012 and it doesn't seem all that great.

Display size - 10.1" vs 9.7"
Resolution - 1920*1200 vs 2048*1536
ppi - 224 vs 264
Processor - Quad core vs dual core
Rear camera - 8mp vs 5mp
Chassis depth - 8.8 vs 9.4


Huawei MediaPad 10 is the first tablet announced with HD display - 10.1" widescreen touchscreen with 1920x1200 pixels of resolution and allegedly sports very good colors and viewing angles. The Android ICS tablet will be powered by Huawei’s new and powerful K3V2 quad-core processor and sport an 8MP rear camera and LTE as well. What is even more exciting is that Huawei MediaPad 10 is has included these top-notch specs in an 8.8 mm thin chassis, which is an impressive feat.

Linkage
 
... my guess is that copy/paste was not important either?
... nor multitasking?
... or MMS back then?

MMS? It's still not important. I haven't sent an MMS in many, many years. I think I've sent maybe 4-5 MMS's in my life.

Copy and Paste. Yep, they should have had it, but it wasn't a train smash. I only noticed the lack of it a dozen or so times in a year. But at those times, I wish I had it.

Multitasking? Nope, don't miss it. Maybe you use your phone differently to me, but I don't need apps running in the background. On a computer, sure. Phone, no. If they can find a way to have applications running in the background without using CPU cycles, they should add it in. But until then, no

However, as in all things, these things might be important to you. But understand they weren't important to the market at large
 
... my guess is that copy/paste was not important either?
... nor multitasking?
... or MMS back then?

My guess is that when 3G came out, you started using it all the time too

The point is moot. There will always be uber fanbois and haters. For the rest of us normal folk the point is this -

Apple had a relatively late start to the phone market, but they managed to catch up and get to the top. Not necessarily the best, but a big dog none the less. They make superb phones, whether you like Apple or iOS or not.

Now on to tablets. They ipad 1 was cutting edge, popularising effectively a whole new category of device. The question is, where are the other players, why aren't they catching up? They've had more than enough time. Had a great blueprint to improve on. It's clear that users want tablets. Manufacturers are announcing a new ipad killer literally almost everyday, yet somehow they're just not there. What's holding them back?
 
Here ... let me answer these for you

*changes to Apple thought process*

Display size - 10.1" vs 9.7"

Steve Jobs personally tested every size and every ratio screen. Nothing matches 9.7" for the comfort of holding the device in your hands. Any bigger and it becomes cumbersome - but smaller and it's tough to read

Resolution - 1920*1200 vs 2048*1536

We're just king at the resolution here - the highest resolution mobile device known to man ... meaning we can't even distingish pixels. You'll get eye fatigue



Processor - Quad core vs dual core

The OS is made and tailored for the processor - which means it's highly efficient and cannot be beat. It runs smoother than any Android I've used


Rear camera - 8mp vs 5mp

Who will use the iPad as a camera anyhow? I rather use my SLR if I want decent photos ... cameras are a 'nice to have'

Chassis depth - 8.8 vs 9.4

That's to cater for the larger battery because it's got a super resolution screen, LTE and tons of other features. That's physics - but the increase is not much larger. In fact, I like it.
 
.... I haven't sent an MMS in many, many years .... but it wasn't a train smash .... Multitasking? Nope, don't miss it

Deja Vu ...this is typical response everytime :/
 
Not really that spectacular. Compare the newewestest ipad to the Huawei MediaPad that was announced at MWC2012 and it doesn't seem all that great.

And when does that ship?

Next week people will have the iPad in their hands while Huawei will still talk about the specs.
 
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