Apple iPhone 5 disappointment

[BeVonk!]

I really dislike the n7. Tbh thought since it's my first android device I don't know if that's because of the hardware or the software.

My comments at the time is available on this forum. When I started off with Android I hated it. I was used to iOS and the Apple way of doing things. I even offered my SGT10.1 for sale at some point. My iPad 2 was king. Then my wife needed the iPad and I was forced to work with the Android tablet. I rooted it, loaded a custom ICS rom, and everything changed for me. I was forced to learn the Android way and ICS made things a lot better. And then Jelly Bean clinched it for me.

I bought myself an iPad Mini to replace my aging Kindle as my primary reading device but I just cannot compare it to Android (JB) on my Samsung Note 10.1 anymore.

One must give these devices a fair chance, and forcing yourself to only use one for a time does wonders. The human brain resists change. Habits die hard.

 

[cerebus]

I've got no problem at all with the way iOS sandboxes its app data. It's a pain if you happen to have a strong desire to bypass it, but I can't say I do really - and I can move important documents between my key apps (Evernote, Office2HD, Numbers, Dropbox). It does make for a more user-friendly working environment - e.g. on my SGS I get driven mad every time I want to make a call or a message and I have to do an extra step to choose which app I want to do it with, and if just once or every time. Sandboxing removes those decisions from me and I'm happier with that.

The point being, it's an OS design choice that is typical of a certain philosophy - not a design flaw. Apple has always skewed in the direction of hiding the filesystem, and they always will do. They rely on robust metadata to abstract a layer of human decision making. Precisely the same goes for widgets and live tiles. It's a choice that they made and they won't budge on it; opening the OS to graphical modification is relatively easy to do, but since when have Apple ever acted in a welcoming manner towards modifications?

That isn't to say that iOS doesn't have serious flaws, or that it isn't falling behind the ball. But that happened under Forstall's tenure; so why do you say that removing him was a mistake?

One must give these devices a fair chance, and forcing yourself to only use one for a time does wonders. The human brain resists change. Habits die hard.

And you think that because you came to this conclusion, everyone else must? I had the Sony tablet for months and hated it the entire time. I had the Nexus 7 and moved to the iPad3, and the difference was massive.

 

[cerebus]

I'm sure nobody is surprised at this inevitable start of Apple slide into obscurity.

Funny kind of obscurity you're talking about when they just recorded the largest year of profits ever recorded by any company in history, by a considerable margin.

 

[JStrike]

Funny kind of obscurity you're talking about when they just recorded the largest year of profits ever recorded by any company in history, by a considerable margin.

He's just trolling. It's the same people that said the Macintosh will fade into obscurity. And here we are 20 years later

 

[greg0205]

Funny kind of obscurity you're talking about when they just recorded the largest year of profits ever recorded by any company in history, by a considerable margin.

Thanks for that cerebus... Jab's post makes no sense to rational human beings.

 

[BeVonk!]

Have Nexus devices ever sold well? They expected the very first one to challenge the iPhone and when that failed they appear to have settled to using subsequent devices to show off the latest release of the Android OS.

Why everyone (incl Google and LG) was shocked when the Nexus 4 demand was so high. Clearly the Nexus market/brand is now grabbing attention (and this will turn into market share).

 

[JStrike]

Why everyone (incl Google and LG) was shocked when the Nexus 4 demand was so high. Clearly the Nexus market/brand is now grabbing attention (and this will turn into market share).

It sold less than 400 000 in 3 months last I heard (Albeit supply constrained). It's a flop. It won't be doing much for the Nexus brand

 

[falcon786]

e.g. on my SGS I get driven mad every time I want to make a call or a message and I have to do an extra step to choose which app I want to do it with, and if just once or every time. Sandboxing removes those decisions from me and I'm happier with that.

You keep on repeating that over and over,just select the app you want to use and be done with it it will never ask you again and if you ever change your mind you can always change that option in the settings,stop blaming freedom of choice for your own insecurities.

That is a huge strength of the android OS.i.e freedom of choice if you don't like having choice then maybe you're a closest communist,I'm sure china would love to have ya.

 

[falcon786]

It sold less than 400 000 in 3 months last I heard (Albeit supply constrained). It's a flop. It won't be doing much for the Nexus brand

Why does that make you sleep better at night?

Weirdo.

 

[cerebus]

Why everyone (incl Google and LG) was shocked when the Nexus 4 demand was so high. Clearly the Nexus market/brand is now grabbing attention (and this will turn into market share).

They were shocked that a top-specced phone with Google branding being sold at half the price sans-contract as any comparably specced phone on the market would have a strong demand? How does that even happen?

Conversation I imagine that happened:-
Google: Hey LG let's take your best phone, cut the price in half and stick a Nexus label on it.
LG: Sounds great but won't that cut into the sales of our best phone?
Google: We don't anticipate very high demand.

 

[BeVonk!]

The point being, it's an OS design choice that is typical of a certain philosophy - not a design flaw. Apple has always skewed in the direction of hiding the filesystem, and they always will do.

That isn't to say that iOS doesn't have serious flaws, or that it isn't falling behind the ball. But that happened under Forstall's tenure; so why do you say that removing him was a mistake?

And you think that because you came to this conclusion, everyone else must? I had the Sony tablet for months and hated it the entire time. I had the Nexus 7 and moved to the iPad3, and the difference was massive.

1) I know it's designed to be/work the way it is. I just don't appreciate it anymore. I prefer full access to my file system. Once I got used to this feature in Android I just couldn't go back. Side-loading is now a non-negotiable feature for me. Being forced to work through the AppStore is too much of a lock-down for me.

2) Yes it happened under Forstall. He made it what it is (warts and all). He is however smart enough to know where to go ... when it is time to make larger strides ... and he had the fire in the belly to make it work. I just don't see Ives getting an OS right. Industrial design is not the same thing as developing an OS. Yes, the team under him does the work, but the leader steers it in a direction and must kindle the fire. I do believe his loss will be felt and will show in time to come.

3) I'm not saying everyone must. I gave my experience, and I've seen this happen with many others. Many won't change unless forcing themselves to get out of a specific zone (comfort zone in many cases).

 

[falcon786]

They were shocked that a top-specced phone with Google branding being sold at half the price sans-contract as any comparably specced phone on the market would have a strong demand? How does that even happen?

Conversation I imagine that happened:-
Google: Hey LG let's take your best phone, cut the price in half and stick a Nexus label on it.
LG: Sounds great but won't that cut into the sales of our best phone?
Google: We don't anticipate very high demand due to your normally *** quality.
LG:

Fixed that for you lol

 

[JStrike]

Why does that make you sleep better at night?

Weirdo.

It doesn't. It was in reply to BeVonk! who was considering if the Nexus 4 might help the Nexus brand. It looks like it wont.
Maybe the N7 will

 

[sox63]

I see Nokia also posted a $585million profit this quarter. Well done to them.

But investors are pissed off they are not issuing dividends for the first time in 140-odd years, down 5% so far...

Can never please these guys LOL

 

[BeVonk!]

It sold less than 400 000 in 3 months last I heard (Albeit supply constrained). It's a flop. It won't be doing much for the Nexus brand

Not a flop. Read the reviews. Could not be manufactured fast enough. Was intended to be a small volume release. Caught everone off-guard. Watch the future. The graphs will prove it in time to come.

 

[falcon786]

It doesn't. It was in reply to BeVonk! who was considering if the Nexus 4 might help the Nexus brand. It looks like it wont.
Maybe the N7 will

Yeah right.As long as android fails and Apple wins you will sleep like a baby.
I bet you must be waking up more often these days with Apple no longer the market share leader in smartphones.At the rate android is growing though you may need to see a shrink about that sleeping routine soon though.

Watch the future. The graphs will prove it in time to come.

Oh you can bet Jstrike will be loosing sleep over it!

 

[BeVonk!]

When one looks at that market share graph one would swear Apple's line and Android's line was swapped around by mistake on the graph the way the iFans go on. Need one even bother arguing about the obvious?

 

[R13...]

Yeah right.As long as android fails and Apple wins you will sleep like a baby.
I bet you must be waking up more often these days with Apple no longer the market share leader in smartphones.At the rate android is growing though you may need to see a shrink about that sleeping routine soon though.

So he's a fanboy and you're not?

 

[cerebus]

When one looks at that market share graph one would swear Apple's line and Android's line was swapped around by mistake on the graph the way the iFans go on. Need one even bother arguing about the obvious?

Seeing that it's ifans who always blather on about profitability; can you explain exactly what it is that comforts you about market share? It doesn't appear to be something that keeps Tim Cook et al awake at night.

The most important thing to Apple is to make the best products in the world that enrich customers’ lives. That’s our high order bit. That means that we aren’t interested in revenue for revenue’s sake. We can put the Apple brand on a lot of things and sell a lot more stuff, but that’s not what we’re here for. We want to make only the best products.

And so what does that mean for market share? I think we’ve had a great track record here on iPod, doing different products at different price points, and getting a reasonable share for doing that. I wouldn’t view those things as mutually exclusive as some might. But the high order bit is making a great product that enriches customers’ lives and so that’s what we’re focused on.

 

[Crowley]

It sold less than 400 000 in 3 months last I heard (Albeit supply constrained). It's a flop. It won't be doing much for the Nexus brand

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57...-4-already-sold-out-at-u.s-google-play-store/

Well, that was fast.
Just minutes after going on sale in the United States, the new Nexus 4 smartphone from Google and LG was already sold out. Visitors to the Google Play store are greeted with a "coming soon" notice for both the 8GB and 16GB versions of the device.
The phones previously sold out in the United Kingdom in less than an hour. Some customers reported having trouble accessing the store or checking out successfully. Meanwhile, Dutch blog AndroidWorld reported that a planned Netherlands launch was scrapped amid high demand elsewhere.

http://www.news24.com/Technology/News/iPhone-5-delays-anger-South-Africans-20130110

Cape Town - Many South Africans have been disappointed after the launch of the iPhone 5 by not being able to purchase the device, despite being on the waiting list, ahead of the launch date.

According to report on ITWeb, customers have experienced delays and non-delivery of the device that went on sale in SA on 14 December 2012.

There were queues of up to 100 people for the device on launch day, with several stores have to admit that they had fewer than 20 in stock.

So by your measurement the iPhone 5 is a flop as well?