Apple iPhone 5 disappointment

falcon786 said:
Yeah right.As long as android fails and Apple wins you will sleep like a baby.
I bet you must be waking up more often these days with Apple no longer the market share leader in smartphones.At the rate android is growing though you may need to see a shrink about that sleeping routine soon though.;)



Oh you can bet Jstrike will be loosing sleep over it!
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Huh? Why would I want them to be the market leader. That implies poor people can afford them. I most certainly don't want Apple to become Microsoft. Service the high end. That is what they've always done, and that is what I hope they always do.

As part of the anti-apple herd, I expected you to pitch up on this thread. It really is an amusing phenomenon. Marco Arment actually wrote a piece about this odd phenomenon just the other day
 
cerebus said:
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You keep on repeating that over and over,just select the app you want to use and be done with it it will never ask you again and if you ever change your mind you can always change that option in the settings,stop blaming freedom of choice for your own insecurities.
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Sometimes I DO want to use the other app though - like messaging, sometimes I want to Whatsapp them and sometimes I want to SMS them. It's just an irritation though, nothing I can't live with. But it does get up my back though. Just feels like an example of design-by-engineers.
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Really well just select default messaging then and when you want to whatsapp then open whatsapp app from your home screens or main menu and do it,thats how its done in ios after all.

So whats your point really.... all you have shown is that android offers better choice for those that would rather use whatsapp as a default messenger but absolutely no disadvantage if you want to use it as you would ios.

That is a huge strength of the android OS.i.e freedom of choice if you don't like having choice then maybe you're a closest communist,I'm sure china would love to have ya.:D
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Android has always had that strength. All I'm saying is, Apple's decision not to have choice is just Apple's way, and always has been. It hasn't impacted them negatively in the past and I doubt it's going to start doing so in the future. Not to mention, it means that the app store isn't swamped with 'customisation' apps, like that's all I want to be doing with my phone is reskinning or tooling about with live wallpapers.
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I haven't touched different skins or live wallpapers on android,again your criticism is "choice",you don't "need" to go into live wall papers or reskinning if you dont want to AT ALL EVER.Why do you Apple fans always try to make android seem so complicated?

I've been happy with the standard skins and wallpapers on every android I have owned the option is just there for those who like to customize.
 
Ah come on Cerebus. Now market shares says nothing? Profit says everything? Are we playing musical chairs with economics here?

It amazes me how far iFans will go to force their choice to "be the best and smartest of 'em all". The market share graph is important, and yes it should bother Apple ... and how would you know how that affects Cook's sleep?

We will go around this thing for forever-and-a-day because iFans will always argue that their loophole is the thing that matters most.

Yes, I will be accused of being an Android fan. I am one for sure. But I'm also an Apple device fan for other reasons. I appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of each and therefore use both ecosystems. I will however not defend Apple where it is weak ... and iOS is becoming a weakness for them. I will not defend the iPhone 5 because I believe it is not what I expected from Apple as per their own high standards. I do however appreciate the strengths of the iPads and Macs of which I am a fan.
 
JStrike said:
If they sold only 400 000 in 3 months, then hell yes, I would consider the iPhone 5 a flop too. Supply constraints I get, but that is a crazily low number.
Android = Samsung + Galaxy
Nexus is nowhere unfortunately
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You are being purposefully ignorant on this aren't you?

The low number of devices sold had nothing to do with a lack of desire by the consumer...
 
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BeVonk! said:
Ah come on Cerebus. Now market shares says nothing? Profit says everything? Are we playing musical chairs with economics here?
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You're the one pointing at a single metric and saying that it must have Apple fans furious. I'm not even remotely furious, so that leaves me wondering what it is about market share that fills you with such glee? Android growth is completely spectacular, and a very positive market trend, and particularly in the way that it enables the developing world to get access to smartphone technology.

It amazes me how far iFans will go to force their choice to "be the best and smartest of 'em all". The market share graph is important, and yes it should bother Apple ... and how would you know how that affects Cook's sleep?
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It's important except that Apple are doing just fine on their own. They have a single minded vision of creating the best possible products in every class that they compete in. Growth and profit are corollaries of that, but they'll probably always remain at around the levels they are currently in terms of marketshare.

That is to say, market share is no guarantor of quality. And if you can flood the market with something that's very cheap and reasonably high quality, you can be sure it will gain huge growth.
 
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BeVonk! said:
Ah come on Cerebus. Now market shares says nothing? Profit says everything? Are we playing musical chairs with economics here?

It amazes me how far iFans will go to force their choice to "be the best and smartest of 'em all". The market share graph is important, and yes it should bother Apple ... and how would you know how that affects Cook's sleep?

We will go around this thing for forever-and-a-day because iFans will always argue that their loophole is the thing that matters most.

Yes, I will be accused of being an Android fan. I am one for sure. But I'm also an Apple device fan for other reasons. I appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of each and therefore use both ecosystems. I will however not defend Apple where it is weak ... and iOS is becoming a weakness for them. I will not defend the iPhone 5 because I believe it is not what I expected from Apple as per their own high standards. I do however appreciate the strengths of the iPads and Macs of which I am a fan.
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I think that it ends up being a case of to each his own... Apple can rightfully point to the fact that despite their significantly lower market share, they make the vast majority of profit within the smartphone landscape. Android owns the market, no two ways about it.

I think that only once Android as a whole starts making profit at even half the rate that their market share increases, Apple will worry big time...
 
Cerebus, you played down the market share metric. I never said it is the only metric that matters. What I am saying is that it is a metric that matters (a lot) and that it should be of concern to Apple, especially when one looks at the Android line that looks like a rocket on its way to Mars. The Apple line looks more like the Mars Rover searching for rocks and traces of life.
 
Maverick Jester said:
You are being purposefully ignorant on this aren't you?

The low number of devices sold had nothing to do with a lack of desire by the consumer...
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Specifically because of the the supply constraint, it is impossible to gauge consumer desire. All we know thus far is that sales are crazily low, but they could be higher if supply was greater. But at the moment, it is a flop
 
Maverick Jester said:
I think that it ends up being a case of to each his own... Apple can rightfully point to the fact that despite their significantly lower market share, they make the vast majority of profit within the smartphone landscape. Android owns the market, no two ways about it.

I think that only once Android as a whole starts making profit at even half the rate that their market share increases, Apple will worry big time...
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I can agree with this.

When one however looks at Samsung their profit focus is spread over a vast spectrum of products. Apple's is a lot more focused (it has to be). Samsung would therefore not bother too much with a profit from phones race with Apple as it is making profits from all over their spectrum that all ends up in one dam. Some things however carries others (profits in one area carrying losses elsewhere) so the whole will not reflect the actual strength of Samsung. If Samsung were to take a profit race on phones serious to beat Apple on that one metric then I think things will become very interesting ... but they know they don't have to ... TV's and fridges also make good money for them. I genuinely believe we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of what Samsung is able to do ito profits. The Koreans are known for playing a long term game ... slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
 
R13... said:
So he's a fanboy and you're not?
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Not at all,infact I rate people like you and cerebus as Apple "fanboys",JStrike however DEFINITELY has some kind of affiliation to Apple/core or may be he is exclusive Apple dev so I totally understand why he always loves Apple,its part of his livelihood,thats for sure.

I'm not joking he will loose sleep over Apple loosing market share.I don't think many fanboys will go that far.

As for me I'm a tech fan,at this point in time the devices I enjoy the most happens to be android but I also loved my previous windows phone 8 and Apple devices.I could not be bothered about brand to be honest with you,if your product is good and suits my needs I'll enjoy using it.Period.

JStrike said:
As part of the anti-apple herd, I expected you to pitch up on this thread. It really is an amusing phenomenon. Marco Arment actually wrote a piece about this odd phenomenon just the other day
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Well of-course anybody that doesn't worship Apple is part of the anti Apple herd in your book so I'm not in the slightest bit offended by your statement.Just for the record though thats only in your mind because you cant stand me criticizing Apple,the truth is every manufacturer has their strong and weak points and at this point in time Apples weak point for me is ios.

Their strongest point is the ipad hardware.

If they can make some innovative changes on ios and make the iphone 5s/6 with a better screen aspect ratio/size then they can be right up there or better than other manufacturers phones like the s3 and htc one x and even the lumia 920.Those two things were what made me sell my iphone 5.
 
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Wow, some people really take badly to possible news that Apple may not be the greatest. I read the first few posts and then gave up. Every time someone mentions something even slightly negative about Apple the excuses coming pouring in. Positive news on the other hand is spread with glee.
 
falcon786 said:
Just for the record though thats only in your mind because you cant stand me criticizing Apple,the truth is every manufacturer has their strong and weak points and at this point in time Apples weak point for me is ios.

Their strongest point is the ipad hardware.
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Exactly. My sentiments as well.
 
To point out where Apple is falling behind (and why the market might agree) is not Apple hatred ... but some keeps on seeing it that way and it is not useful. Only through criticism can one improve. If everyone just sing praises then no progress will be forthcoming. It is through unhappiness that progress in technology happens. If the iPad 1 was so good that it only deserved praise why did we get the 2, 3 and 4 ... ?
 
BeVonk! said:
To point out where Apple is falling behind (and why the market might agree) is not Apple hatred ... but some keeps on seeing it that way and it is not useful. Only through criticism can one improve. If everyone just sing praises then no progress will be forthcoming. It is through unhappiness that progress in technology happens. If the iPad 1 was so good that it only deserved praise why did we get the 2, 3 and 4 ... ?
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You're welcome to point out whatever you want. I'm welcome to not agree with your points. I don't care that much about closed vs open arguments; I just want it to work and have top class beautiful apps. Like I said though, I totally agree that iOS is very flawed, and I put a lot of the blame for that on Scott Forstall. I just see other areas which are flawed than you - sideloading is a nonissue for me, but seamless workflow and proper notifications bar is a biggie. Faux leather is a biggie. Tired fonts that havent been updated in 5 years are big.
 
BeVonk! said:
To point out where Apple is falling behind (and why the market might agree) is not Apple hatred ... but some keeps on seeing it that way and it is not useful. Only through criticism can one improve. If everyone just sing praises then no progress will be forthcoming. It is through unhappiness that progress in technology happens. If the iPad 1 was so good that it only deserved praise why did we get the 2, 3 and 4 ... ?
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True. Criticism is good. But how it is done is more important. Some here on MyBB can have a decent conversation, but others rock up in threads and start insulting.
And pointing out that Apple doesn't suck at the teat of marketshare and never has (look and countless statements by Jobs and now Cook), isn't being against criticism, it is raising a valid point
 
JStrike said:
I think the opposite there. iOS being the strongest aspect, hardware being the weakest
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That is your right and you know why you believe that ... and it is perfectly fine.

Some don't. Jelly Bean was for me the final nail in the coffin ... the OS that completely won me over to the Android side for now. I hope BB10 will bring some fresh ideas and that RIM will become a real competitor. MS is in the game but I struggle (honestly) to appreciate their OS. I cannot see it become a winner, but I may well be proven wrong over time.

When I say I prefer Jelly Bean over iOS I am not saying Apple is cr@p and is not doing well. They are doing a lot of things well, but in my opinion iOS needs to come alive. It is like looking at a graveyard with tomb stones at present (icons in neat rows only).
 
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