Apple iPhone 5 disappointment

The iOS interface is pretty unexciting. It gets the job done and you can't say much more than that. But I probably spend 1/30th of my iPad time on the homescreen of my device. The rest of the time I'm you know....using actual apps. And that's where there's just no competition for me.

Frankly though do you think the squillions of Android buyers at present are all up on their homescreen customisation? Tons of guys I know with SGS3's and whatever just leave it as the bogstandard Touchwiz look which is just about as boring as iOS.
 
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BeVonk! said:
That is your right and you know why you believe that ... and it is perfectly fine.

Some don't. Jelly Bean was for me the final nail in the coffin ... the OS that completely won me over to the Android side for now. I hope BB10 will bring some fresh ideas and that RIM will become a real competitor. MS is in the game but I struggle (honestly) to appreciate their OS. I cannot see it become a winner, but I may well be proven wrong over time.

When I say I prefer Jelly Bean over iOS I am not saying Apple is cr@p and is not doing well. They are doing a lot of things well, but in my opinion iOS needs to come alive. It is like looking at a graveyard with tomb stones at present (icons in neat rows only).
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I agree, 4.2 was the point where Android became decent.

Regarding iOS, I doubt the overall look will change considerably. Apple tend to spend a lot a time getting the high level UI perfect (In their opinion). And if people like it, they keep it the same, with only minor tweaks every iteration. Look at Mac OS for an example of this.
it is only where products fail that they change the interface (AppleTV)
 
BeVonk! said:
Cerebus, you played down the market share metric. I never said it is the only metric that matters. What I am saying is that it is a metric that matters (a lot) and that it should be of concern to Apple, especially when one looks at the Android line that looks like a rocket on its way to Mars. The Apple line looks more like the Mars Rover searching for rocks and traces of life.
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In this instance market share is of little importance... Comparing Apple to Android, which has a plethora of manufacturers releasing multiple devices in the same segment, is asinine.

A better metric would be each Apple product against each Android manufacturers flagship device in a given segment. Granted, it's a tough statistic to measure reliably because some manufacturers only release shipped numbers as opposed to sell through numbers.

Anyway, Apple vs Android as whole is not a telling stat at all.
 
cerebus said:
The iOS interface is pretty unexciting. It gets the job done and you can't say much more than that. But I probably spend 1/30th of my iPad time on the homescreen of my device. The rest of the time I'm you know....using actual apps. And that's where there's just no competition for me.
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Well that's the thing. A comprehensive ecosystem will provide far more functionality than a more complex OS - however capable it is. Quantifying the full capability of a platform requires a far more comprehensive view of things. Having spent quite a bit of time with my Nexus 7, i was eventually drawn back to my ipad because while the Android OS has a few more bells and whistles, the lack of truly refined and capable tablet apps made the device feel quite limited and stifling.
 
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Crowley said:
The contract price is not bad but the cash price is ridiculous.

I have noticed two types of people who bring up the cash price. Firstly is the non-Apple crowd that says the cash price for the iPhone is too much (which I agree with) and secondly it is the iPhone users who bring up the price to make themselves feel special because they spent so much money on a phone.
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JStrike said:
Huh? Why would I want them to be the market leader. That implies poor people can afford them. I most certainly don't want Apple to become Microsoft. Service the high end. That is what they've always done, and that is what I hope they always do.
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Lol...i read all 7 pages

Like a bunch of school girls screaming at each other....

And to quote an iPhone LOVER i work with " iPhones are loosing their exclusiveness". I think Apple has to juggle this, the faster Apple saturate the market, the faster the market might jump ship and I mean this from a comparison point of view. A few people have bought iPhone 4s\5 at work but more attention is put on the GSIII's because they look quite different where as the 4\4s\5 design has been around for what, 2 years now? Dare i say that iPhone is falling into the Blackberry trap, the last 10 models from Blackberry are all the same for heavens sake!

I'm done
 
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From another thread...
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Use metal that costs 10% more than the plastic (economy of scale considered) and then sell this "premium" metal encased product for double the price of a plastic encased phone. The insides are the same. The metal feels and looks much more expensive and with that Apple logo on the back a much higher price/margin is "warranted". And people fall for that. As I've said before Apple/Jobs are/were the masters of perception. Now it is perceptions that mess up their stock value. You live by the sword you die by the sword ... sort of thing. Some will call it karma.
 
BeVonk! said:
Use metal that costs 10% more than the plastic (economy of scale considered) and then sell this "premium" metal encased product for double the price of a plastic encased phone. The insides are the same. The metal feels and looks much more expensive and with that Apple logo on the back a much higher price/margin is "warranted". And people fall for that. As I've said before Apple/Jobs are/were the masters of perception. Now it is perceptions that mess up their stock value. You live by the sword you die by the sword ... sort of thing. Some will call it karma.
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/melodrama alert... :p

Does the S3 and other flagship 'droids sell for 50% of the iPhones' price?
 
That "inferior" Google ecosystem ... five out of top six apps ...
 

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JimboBob said:
Lol...i read all 7 pages

Like a bunch of school girls screaming at each other....

And to quote an iPhone LOVER i work with " iPhones are loosing their exclusiveness". I think Apple has to juggle this, the faster Apple saturate the market, the faster the market might jump ship and I mean this from a comparison point of view. A few people have bought iPhone 4s\5 at work but more attention is put on the GSIII's because they look quite different where as the 4\4s\5 design has been around for what, 2 years now? Dare i say that iPhone is falling into the Blackberry trap, the last 10 models from Blackberry are all the same for heavens sake!

I'm done
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Not this again... BlackBerry's problem was and is not that their phones looked the same but rather that there were platforms offering a more complete user experience coupled with touch screen phones that were seriously lacking.

You don't sell near on 50 million handsets in one quarter when the look of a phone is losing its appeal.

The S III is getting its share of the limelight simply because it is a fantastic phone running on a great platform not because it is shaped differently. If what you're saying is true then the Lumia 920 should be hammering all comers due to its unique design.
 
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Concerning market share, here is a model that reflects the latest figures.... So clearly Apple tanking it on the global scene. Overpricd rubbish really.
 
The people predicting the demise and downfall of Apple are quite amusing.

Does anyone think Amazon is about to go bust?

Put profits into perspective:
Bloomberg editor Mark Gimen points out that Apple earned $13.1 billion in profits last quarter.

From the time Amazon turned a profit in 2003 to the end of 2011, Amazon has earned $5.1 billion in profits. (From inception, adding up losses, it's ~$1.5 billion, says analyst Benedict Evans.)

We want to say that again:

Amazon's total profits are ~$5.1 billion in around 8 years. Apple's profit was $13.1 billion just in the last three months.
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Dave123 said:
The people predicting the demise and downfall of Apple are quite amusing.

Does anyone think Amazon is about to go bust?

Put profits into perspective:
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Uhh, how does comparing Amazon and Apple mean anything?
 
JimboBob said:
Uhh, how does comparing Amazon and Apple mean anything?
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Amazon is put up by most as the bastion of stability and being the international giant who has no risk.

Apple is allegedly at risk and on the downward slide if you believe the doomsayers in the thread, but Apple makes almost a much profit in ONE MONTH that Amazon took EIGHT YEARS to make.

It's all about perspective.
 
Dave123 said:
Amazon is put up by most as the bastion of stability and being the international giant who has no risk.

Apple is allegedly at risk and on the downward slide if you believe the doomsayers in the thread, but Apple makes almost a much profit in ONE MONTH that Amazon took EIGHT YEARS to make.

It's all about perspective.
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Still means nothing, you're comparing totally different market segments...
 
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