Apple iPhone 5 disappointment

[JimboBob]

At who's expense though?

http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/11/02/idc-android-market-share-reached-75-worldwide-in-q3-2012/

That's mad, Android went from 0.5% to 68% global market share in 5 years?! :wtf:

 

[BeVonk!]

So Googles 5 service apps now constitute an ecosystem?

Those are just the apps side of it. That beautiful market share graph shows the Android side of it. And then there is that awesome browser so many of us use called Chrome

As debated before, a different kind of ecosystem, and a very good one than spans a wide spectrum, incl penetration into Apple's walled garden (as Cerebus said). The maps fiasco showed how desperate Apple is to stop this intrussion.

Different ecosystems don't look look the same. We've been over this before but you were not in that discussion.

 

[BeVonk!]

You can make the sums.

Oh wow. Here, have a beer on me . Your superior math skills trumped my hyperbole. I think most got what I was saying.

 

[BeVonk!]

... and according to rumours on BGR Google could be adding a smart watch to their ecosystem. That device me and Arthur were discussing the other day. And when Apple brings out their own iWatch, pleazzzzze don't tell us they did it first.

 

[cerebus]

At who's expense though?

http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/11/02/idc-android-market-share-reached-75-worldwide-in-q3-2012/

1) Those are still Q3 figures so not really telling us anything new
2) I don't really care at whose expense it is. Point is, you're the prophets of doom on here about Apple so we who like Apple get defensive. Android, Rim, WP, etc can all thrive and I'm quite happy; but you need to face the reality that Apple isn't going anywhere, not declining, not anything.

 

[undesign]

Oh wow. Here, have a beer on me . Your superior math skills trumped my hyperbole. I think most got what I was saying.

I got it bud. Simply pointing out your (habitual) melodramatic hyperbolising. Thanks for the beer though.

 

[BeVonk!]

Simply pointing out your (habitual) melodramatic hyperbolising.

Jobs was accused of a similar "sin" ... this reality distortion field thingy that creative people are "blessed with". But aren't you hyperbolising with your statement too: "habitual melodramatic hyperbolising" (Wow! Trying to say that out loud will take some effort and focus ... need a few beers to get it right)?

 

[Maverick Jester]

Specifically because of the the supply constraint, it is impossible to gauge consumer desire.

This is so untrue and you know it. Do you not classify the fact that the Nexus sold out within minutes each time it's stock became available, as a rather high level of consumer desire?

All we know thus far is that sales are crazily low, but they could be higher if supply was greater. But at the moment, it is a flop

Sales are low due to low production number. I would hardly call something a flop if it is constantly sold out. Or would you classify the iPhone 5 as a flop?

 

[Crowley]

1) Those are still Q3 figures so not really telling us anything new
2) I don't really care at whose expense it is. Point is, you're the prophets of doom on here about Apple so we who like Apple get defensive. Android, Rim, WP, etc can all thrive and I'm quite happy; but you need to face the reality that Apple isn't going anywhere, not declining, not anything.

1) Couldn't find Q4 figures but I am sure they are also higher
2) Apple is growing according to your figures, so is Android but so is Nokia according to other articles. Either a lot more phones were sold which would push everybody's sales figures up or RIM didn't sell any phones.

I never said Apple was dying. I wish they would but that is not going to happen any time soon.

 

[undesign]

Jobs was accused of a similar "sin" ... this reality distortion field thingy that creative people are "blessed with".

Whoaah there ego, reign it in.

But aren't you hyperbolising with your statement too: "habitual melodramatic hyperbolising" (Wow! Trying to say that out loud will take some effort and focus ... need a few beers to get it right)?

LOL I'll try this afternoon after a few glasses of wine.

 

[ajules]

I never said Apple was dying. I wish they would but that is not going to happen any time soon.

disliking I can respect but wanting a Tech company to die is just weird.Seems like you have some issues you need to work through.
Personally I cant stand the Samsung smartphones but love and respect what they are doing.At the very least it is keeping Apple on its toes.

 

[BeVonk!]

Whoaah there ego, reign it in.

Just hyperbolising as per my "habit" ...

 

[Maverick Jester]

I can agree with this.

When one however looks at Samsung their profit focus is spread over a vast spectrum of products. Apple's is a lot more focused (it has to be). Samsung would therefore not bother too much with a profit from phones race with Apple as it is making profits from all over their spectrum that all ends up in one dam. Some things however carries others (profits in one area carrying losses elsewhere) so the whole will not reflect the actual strength of Samsung. If Samsung were to take a profit race on phones serious to beat Apple on that one metric then I think things will become very interesting ... but they know they don't have to ... TV's and fridges also make good money for them. I genuinely believe we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of what Samsung is able to do ito profits. The Koreans are known for playing a long term game ... slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.

This is true. But Samsung do not reflect Android in its entirety- and once the rest of the vendors start catching up, it will be very interesting.

 

[AlphaJohn]

What I think most people miss is that there are different types of investors.

You get Micro movement investors that sell and buy on small movements.
They are everywhere but will not cause Apple's stock to fall like this, they love any small dip and do not even care who or what stock it is. Mostly controlled by algorithms written by math professors and engineers.

You get people that are in for the long hall the dividend gatherers.
People that keeps shares for 2 to 5 years and more. for them Apple is a goldmine, as the company is not going anywhere fast and they see a future of rewards they will stay put.

Then you get the growth prospectors.
I have a feeling its them that is bailing. For them its not about the profit a company makes or even its huge bank accounts, its about future growth You know the buy at $20 sell at $100. They are the ones bailing now, causing the stock to dip. Its not saying that Apple is doing bad its just saying they don't see a next big thing coming that will make the stock rise to $700.

 

[BeVonk!]

Roumours of Lenovo + RIM again doing the rounds. I wish it will now happen. RIM needs stability and Lenovo needs a mobile phone solution of their own (not just another Android phone producer). I've been using Lenovo laptops for years and can see myself getting a Lenovo phone with proper keyboard running BB10.

 

[Crowley]

disliking I can respect but wanting a Tech company to die is just weird.Seems like you have some issues you need to work through.
Personally I cant stand the Samsung smartphones but love and respect what they are doing.At the very least it is keeping Apple on its toes.

Maybe I was a bit harsh there, I actually do like some of their products. The iPod is the best music player out there by a wide margin and the iPad would have been awesome if it wasn't for the antiquated OS.

Huh? Why would I want them to be the market leader. That implies poor people can afford them. I most certainly don't want Apple to become Microsoft. Service the high end. That is what they've always done, and that is what I hope they always do.

This is the biggest problem I have with Apple. Their products give some people a misplaced sense of superiority.

 

[undesign]

This is the biggest problem I have with Apple. Their products give some people a misplaced sense of superiority.

Sorry man, but you've got it all wrong. For some reason many non-Apple users have an inferiority complex...and feel the need to act on it in every thread.

 

[sand_man]

What I think most people miss is that there are different types of investors.

You get Micro movement investors that sell and buy on small movements.
They are everywhere but will not cause Apple's stock to fall like this, they love any small dip and do not even care who or what stock it is. Mostly controlled by algorithms written by math professors and engineers.

You get people that are in for the long hall the dividend gatherers.
People that keeps shares for 2 to 5 years and more. for them Apple is a goldmine, as the company is not going anywhere fast and they see a future of rewards they will stay put.

Then you get the growth prospectors.
I have a feeling its them that is bailing. For them its not about the profit a company makes or even its huge bank accounts, its about future growth You know the buy at $20 sell at $100. They are the ones bailing now, causing the stock to dip. Its not saying that Apple is doing bad its just saying they don't see a next big thing coming that will make the stock rise to $700.

Lol, possibly the 1st OT post I've read in 9 pages of this thread!!!

 

[cerebus]

This is the biggest problem I have with Apple. Their products give some people a misplaced sense of superiority.

Are you totally off your rocker? Where does that come from? Sounds like some weird personal beef you have towards a subset of humanity.

 

[Crowley]

Are you totally off your rocker? Where does that come from? Sounds like some weird personal beef you have towards a subset of humanity.

Maybe it comes from the quote in my post. In case you missed it I included it again.

That implies poor people can afford them. I most certainly don't want Apple to become Microsoft. Service the high end. That is what they've always done, and that is what I hope they always do.