Apple lambastes fragmented Android and outdated Samsung

AlphaJohn said:
Sounds like you have load of Android experience, and can point out the fragmentation issues you had with your applications. Would you be so kind as to give us a hyperlink to your application on Google market?
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Don't be absurd of course I haven't.

I would just like to know if and how much experience you had letting you talk about this issue as an authoritative figure. (And no I will not take someone elses example's or press as prove I want to see your apps)
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Dismissing every authoritative source I can produce since it's not firsthand is also pretty bad form. It's widely reported and widely complained about.
 
well at least android has figured out that its useful to have a mute indicator on the homescreen. ios idiot.
 
AlphaJohn said:
Sounds like you have load of Android experience, and can point out the fragmentation issues you had with your applications. Would you be so kind as to give us a hyperlink to your application on Google market?
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Good lord some of you go on like this is rocket science.

Are you a developer?
Do you test your applications on their target devices?
Do you test your applications on their target operating systems?

If you can answer yes to the questions you already know one of the problems with fragmentation without even going into API and device hardware issues.
 
AlphaJohn said:
Sounds like you have load of Android experience, and can point out the fragmentation issues you had with your applications. Would you be so kind as to give us a hyperlink to your application on Google market?

I would just like to know if and how much experience you had letting you talk about this issue as an authoritative figure. (And no I will not take someone elses example's or press as prove I want to see your apps)
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Now you are asking him to reveal who he works for on a silly internet forum. That is dangerous and should be discouraged
 
Fragmentation is something developers have had to deal with forever. Your Windows app needs to run on Windows versions including XP, Vista, 7, 8 Server 2003 and 2008, 32-bit and 64-bit. Also there are a multiple screen sizes and aspect ratios.

The same holds true for Websites. It must work on multiple browsers and multiple versions of browsers.

I can only think of 2 cases where developers were able to avoid some form of fragmentation.
1. When IE 6 held 90%+ of the market
2. iPhone before the iPad

Even now your IOS apps need to support multiple versions of IOS even if 50%+ are on the latest. There are 2 pixel densities on iPhone and iPad, there are 2 aspect ratios on iPhone. Also each device has a portrait and landscape mode which need to be handled differently.

A developer needs to consider all of these but the majority of the fragmentation issues are handled by the OS and APIs. You can write an app with the latest APIs and it knows how to deal with the various versions of Android. There are layout schemes for dealing with different screen sizes and aspect ratios.

The only people I can think who are complaining about fragmentation are developers who built iPhone apps in the early days where they had no fragmentation to deal with. I suspect most of these people were not developers before iPhone so never had to deal with fragmentation issues that have always existed.

You can probably handle 90-95% of Android devices by just taking minor and standardized steps for dealing with fragmentation. People playing the fragmentation card should shut-up and stop spreading FUD.
 
icyrus said:
Good lord some of you go on like this is rocket science.

Are you a developer?
Do you test your applications on their target devices?
Do you test your applications on their target operating systems?

If you can answer yes to the questions you already know the one of the problems with fragmentation without even going into API and device hardware issues.
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It's even worse than that. API's are fragmented, which is far more hellish
 
XRayA4T said:
Fragmentation is something developers have had to deal with forever. Your Windows app needs to run on Windows versions including XP, Vista, 7, 8 Server 2003 and 2008, 32-bit and 64-bit. Also there are a multiple screen sizes and aspect ratios.

The same holds true for Websites. It must work on multiple browsers and multiple versions of browsers.

I can only think of 2 cases where developers were able to avoid some form of fragmentation.
1. When IE 6 held 90%+ of the market
2. iPhone before the iPad

Even now your IOS apps need to support multiple versions of IOS even if 50%+ are on the latest. There are 2 pixel densities on iPhone and iPad, there are 2 aspect ratios on iPhone. Also each device has a portrait and landscape mode which need to be handled differently.

A developer needs to consider all of these but the majority of the fragmentation issues are handled by the OS and APIs. You can write an app with the latest APIs and it knows how to deal with the various versions of Android. There are layout schemes for dealing with different screen sizes and aspect ratios.

The only people I can think who are complaining about fragmentation are developers who built iPhone apps in the early days where they had no fragmentation to deal with. I suspect most of these people were not developers before iPhone so never had to deal with fragmentation issues that have always existed.

You can probably handle 90-95% of Android devices by just taking minor and standardized steps for dealing with fragmentation. People playing the fragmentation card should shut-up and stop spreading FUD.
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If you want to target 90% of Android devices, you need to target Gingerbread. Do you now see the problem?
 
icyrus said:
Good lord some of you go on like this is rocket science.

Are you a developer?
Do you test your applications on their target devices?
Do you test your applications on their target operating systems?

If you can answer yes to the questions you already know one of the problems with fragmentation without even going into API and device hardware issues.
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I know the problems, 1st hand but I am tired of the Apple zealots yelling fragmentation fragmentation yet have not a single app to prove that they know how much or little there is in Android development.

So yes I will ask anyone that say Android is dangerously fragmented to show me their apps before I will even start to listen to what they have to say.
 
JStrike said:
Now you are asking him to reveal who he works for on a silly internet forum. That is dangerous and should be discouraged
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Not every one is working for such a tops secret company like you claim to be with, so yes there is nothing wrong with what I asked. Hell I do it even without being asked in my Sig.
 
AlphaJohn said:
I know the problems, 1st hand but I am tired of the Apple zealots yelling fragmentation fragmentation yet have not a single app to prove that they know how much or little there is in Android development.

So yes I will ask anyone that say Android is dangerously fragmented to show me their apps before I will even start to listen to what they have to say.
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Then by all means lead the way.
 
icyrus said:
Then by all means lead the way.
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I am not the one claiming it to be fragmented or not fragmented. I just want proof of such fragmentation before I will listen to known Apple fanboys that hops onto a ban wagon merely cause someone said so in some article on some mac site.
 
AlphaJohn said:
I am not the one claiming it to be fragmented or not fragmented. I just want proof of such fragmentation before I will listen to known Apple fanboys that hops onto a bad wagon merely cause someone said so in some article on some mac site.
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You don't have to listen to anyone, have a look at Google's stats of devices and their version numbers.

At this point I can only assume you are trolling or retarded.
 
AlphaJohn said:
I am not the one claiming it to be fragmented or not fragmented. I just want proof of such fragmentation before I will listen to known Apple fanboys that hops onto a ban wagon merely cause someone said so in some article on some mac site.
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You want proof fragmentation exists or that it causes problems?

android-fragmentation-visualization.jpg


Security issues.

Gingerbread STILL runs the majority of phones by percentage of any Android release.

App compatibility suffering due to fragmentation.
 
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icyrus said:
It's like dealing with children. Google's own stats show the numbers of which version of Android is on how many devices.
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Yet they all share the same Google applications, be it Google Drive/Mail/Plus and so on. Remember Android is modular so even if the OS doesn't update to the latest doesn't mean the included apps does the same.

cerebus said:
You want proof fragmentation exists or that it causes problems?
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Not from you if you did not write an Android app no. Cause 9 times out of 10 Apple fanboys make it out to be far worst than it really is.
 
Where I do see fragmentation (that actually matters) is the crumbling of Apple's share price. Must be hurting them when they step forward with cheap shots like this. The aggressive litigation and comments are signs of a company starting to doubt its continued superiority (and the market sees this and reacts accordingly ... like a dog smelling fear).
 
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