Apple Maps lose direction with users

ClintZA said:
Even though Nokia have already released a genuine video of OIS in operation, using a PROTOTYPE Lumia 920 no less, the "faked" video is still news with some people and reason to black mark the device.
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So your 1st instinct is to defend Nokia? Thanks for proving my point.
 
sand_man said:
So your 1st instinct is to defend Nokia? Thanks for proving my point.
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You had no point. You shared a link. If you have a point to make, then make it.

I initially stated "Nokia, for example...". You chose to focus specifically on Nokia so I ran with it. I have no reason to defend Nokia, I am not a Nokia fan boy, I own an Android device.
 
ClintZA said:
You had no point. You shared a link. If you have a point to make, then make it.

I initially stated "Nokia, for example...". You chose to focus specifically on Nokia so I ran with it. I have no reason to defend Nokia, I am not a Nokia fan boy, I own an Android device.
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My point is you jump to the defense of Nokia and their fake promotional video but lament the brain washed Apple user who always defends and never criticizes Apple products.

Here is a thread started over at MacRumors forum on the 13th of June 2012 documenting Apple Maps inadequacies. It currently has just under 2400 replies. It's one of a dozen or more threads created on this and other aspects of the iPhone 5.

iPhone's face arguably greater scrutiny and dissection than any other tech device on the planet, from users to competing manufacturers, to fandroids such as yourself.
 
ClintZA said:
Two things strike me when reading this thread.

First, the depth of the brain washing Apple has managed, together with the hypocrisy of some people. If Nokia, for example, were shown to have even the slightest glitch upon launch of any of their devices they would be lynched by the public, and the tech media, and the device would be black marked.
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Nobody is blackmarking Nokia, but they have a lot to prove right now and faking critical features are a PR nightmare. They need to execute flawlessly, and even then their future is symbiotic with WP8. Right now Nokia's trust levels are ebbing quite low for good reason. Apple does has a certain cache of trust with their users.

Apple does the same and many spend endless hours finding excuses for them.
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No, they pretty much buggered Maps up big time.

Second, so many Apple fans on here expressing their hatred for Android but admitting to the superiority of Google products when it comes to maps. Obviously the enemy is only the enemy when it suits you. I, on the other hand, hate all things Apple. Consistency is key :)
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Can see it's going to be worthwhile debating with you.
 
sand_man said:
My point is you jump to the defense of Nokia and their fake promotional video but lament the brain washed Apple user who always defends and never criticizes Apple products.

Here is a thread started over at MacRumors forum on the 13th of June 2012 documenting Apple Maps inadequacies. It currently has just under 2400 replies. It's one of a dozen or more threads created on this and other aspects of the iPhone 5.

iPhone's face arguably greater scrutiny and dissection than any other tech device on the planet, from users to competing manufacturers, to fandroids such as yourself.
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In all fairness, Apple has set the bar themselves. Not releasing 3G, 4G, NFC and what not technologies because the world is not "ready" for it. They the ones that market their products as perfect and blocking bad experiance from the end user ala Market access and so on. We can even mention how Siri is not in the older versions even when proven that it can work by hackers, Apple's reason, cause it does not perform as good as we want.

So they painted the bull's mark on their own foreheads so to speak, so in my eyes its all fair when people/media takes aim and starts shooting.
 
AlphaJohn said:
So they painted the bull's mark on their own foreheads so to speak, so in my eyes its all fair when people/media takes aim and starts shooting.
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Agreed, but claims that they don't bear the brunt of their failures is unsubstantiated.
 
They didn't hold back on releasing those features because 'the world' wasn't ready for them. They did because either (in the case of 4G) current technological limitations couldn't sustain it without unacceptable battery life compromises, or (in the case of NFC) because the financials on it just aren't convincing enough for them to make the commitment.

But look...no denying this whole Maps issue is a debacle for them.
 
A PR nightmare faking critical features yet Apple can tell a blatant lie in their presentation of the iPhone and it's fine?

They also only give part of the info to make things sound good. It's called marketing.

Lie: iPhone 5 thinnest smartphone in the world.

Incomplete info: iPad 68% market share but fail to mention its down from around 90%
 
ClintZA said:
A PR nightmare faking critical features yet Apple can tell a blatant lie in their presentation of the iPhone and it's fine?
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If you haven't learned by now that all claims made by companies are basically showing quite a selective representation of the facts (as in thinnest smartphone claim), you haven't been around long or seen many Samsung/Apple/Amazon/Microsoft presentations - of which I could pull a list as long as your arm of dubious claims.

But actively faking a demo of a key feature - it's like Milli Vanilli's microphone getting unsynced onstage. It doesn't sit well. But anyway I didn't jump on Nokia for it, I just facepalmed because I know their situation is already so precarious and frankly I want the 920 to be as great as it looks in the videos.
 
ClintZA said:
Two things strike me when reading this thread.

First, the depth of the brain washing Apple has managed, together with the hypocrisy of some people. If Nokia, for example, were shown to have even the slightest glitch upon launch of any of their devices they would be lynched by the public, and the tech media, and the device would be black marked. Apple does the same and many spend endless hours finding excuses for them.

Second, so many Apple fans on here expressing their hatred for Android but admitting to the superiority of Google products when it comes to maps. Obviously the enemy is only the enemy when it suits you. I, on the other hand, hate all things Apple. Consistency is key :)
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Coffee meet screen... Apologies for keeping it a little off-topic here but 42 pages into the Apple iPhone 5 unveiled, 19 pages into the iPhone 5 is the best smartphone ever: Stuff and 5 pages into this thread and THAT'S what you get?? I guess Goldmember said it best when he said: "Well, then there ish no pleashing you."
 
Google has not submitted a new Maps app for iOS, says Schmidt

Before Eric Schmidt left Google’s Nexus 7 event in Tokyo today, he passed some bad news on to the iPhone users in attendance. When asked if Google had in fact submitted a new native Google Maps for App Store approval, Schmidt denied the rumor, saying, “we have not done anything yet,” reports Reuters. Apple’s decision to replace Google Maps with its own mapping service in the recently-released iOS 6 has proved awkward, with many users complaining of missing information, inaccurate labelling, and problems with the new 3D Flyover mode. While The Loop threw cold water on the idea last week, many users hoped that a replacement for the missing Google Maps app was in the works.
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Source The Verge

Guess that puts that rumor to rest.
 
cerebus said:
Yea bummed. Well there's always the 'pinning Google Maps URL to your homescreen as an app' method.
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Or
Navfree http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/navfree-gps-live-south-africa/id434220795?mt=8
Waze http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/waze-social-gps-traffic-gas/id323229106?mt=8
and loads of other free navigation tools, and lets not forget the paid ones like
Garman http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-streetpilot-ondemand/id440326367?mt=8
Sygic http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/sygic-southern-africa-gps/id466439447?mt=8
TomTom http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/tomtom-southern-africa/id328193743?mt=8

and so on :)

Only problem is that Siri and iOS as an OS defaults to Apple Maps when you click/search for addresses.
 
Yea... look not having an iPhone I don't actually care that much about Maps. We use my wife's Lumia 610 because Nokia Maps is brilliant with free turn by turn for life. So alright I'm prepared to admit they stuffed the goose with this one but it doesn't affect me a whole lot.
 
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