Apple Pay wallet


Correct me if I'm wrong,
but I believe that only banks are allowed to provide acquiring services. Sure, you have switches in between (altech etc) but ultimately the acquiring part is a bank.

But even so, in south africa this would mean that the merchant would have to have a relationship with apple in some way?

This is a very big deal, I'm not sure if apple have the muscle to do this here, let alone a world wide solution.

That is a very good question :) Strictly speaking, yes, you have to be a registered financial institution to be an acquirer if you are holding money/value at rest. Apple must be registered to hold value in accounts in South Africa (prepaid accounts, vouchers etc). I imagine that they have done that already, because they hold liability in Rand in the ZA store. I imagine they have partnered with a local bank or Financial Services Provider to do this, but I dont have the foggiest which one. I will dig and see what I can find out.

In a similar vain, the PSPs are almost all partnered with one of the big 4 banks even though they dont hold value at rest.
 
That is a very good question :) Strictly speaking, yes, you have to be a registered financial institution to be an acquirer if you are holding money/value at rest. Apple must be registered to hold value in accounts in South Africa (prepaid accounts, vouchers etc). I imagine that they have done that already, because they hold liability in Rand in the ZA store. I imagine they have partnered with a local bank or Financial Services Provider to do this, but I dont have the foggiest which one. I will dig and see what I can find out.

In a similar vain, the PSPs are almost all partnered with one of the big 4 banks even though they dont hold value at rest.

A partnership would make more sense, if apple even bother to come here - this might be exclusively US or EU.
 
The Acquirers charge two fees : a free for Card Present, and a fee for Card Not Present. The Card Not Present fee is higher because the risk is higher (for fraud). Simplistically, the CVV is there to verify Card Present. CVV is not a pre-requisite, it just results in the merchant paying higher fees. The merchant are not allowed to store the CVV to bypass paying higher fees. In the Snapscan instance, the app is owned by the bank and the CVV never reaches the merchant. The debate is whether they should be paying Card Present or Card Not Present Fees. Same applies for most of the mobile payment solutions that QR based (with the exception of MasterPass).

You obviously haven't had a look at the new interchange fees, which will be applicable from 1 Jan 2015.

https://www.resbank.co.za/Publicati...22e-7125-4e55-bb65-56fd3333371e&sarbitem=6155

Snapscan - yes, it's owned by Standard Bank, but the CVV is stored on the device. Very bad idea. Snapscan is a normal card not present transaction as their is no authentication past the CVV.

Masterpass - Masterpass is a wallet solution in the rest of the world. It stores your card details, along with billing and shipping addresses. The implementation in South Africa through the mobile app is either using 3DSecure, or AMT(authenticated mobile transaction) which is a world first in the payment industry. Both these transaction types falls under the cheaper interchange as per link above.
 
That is a very good question :) Strictly speaking, yes, you have to be a registered financial institution to be an acquirer if you are holding money/value at rest. Apple must be registered to hold value in accounts in South Africa (prepaid accounts, vouchers etc). I imagine that they have done that already, because they hold liability in Rand in the ZA store. I imagine they have partnered with a local bank or Financial Services Provider to do this, but I dont have the foggiest which one. I will dig and see what I can find out.

In a similar vain, the PSPs are almost all partnered with one of the big 4 banks even though they dont hold value at rest.

Yes, in this country you HAVE to be a bank to be considered an acquirer. A PSP can not switch a transaction straight to the issuing bank, that is sort at source. The merchant signs an agreement with an acquiring bank, and as such all transactions MUST be sent via the acquirer. PSPs don't settle merchants, Banks settle merchants.
 
You obviously haven't had a look at the new interchange fees, which will be applicable from 1 Jan 2015.

https://www.resbank.co.za/Publicati...22e-7125-4e55-bb65-56fd3333371e&sarbitem=6155

And if you go look at those fees, you will see its exactly as i said - the fees for Card Not Present are higher.

Snapscan - yes, it's owned by Standard Bank, but the CVV is stored on the device. Very bad idea. Snapscan is a normal card not present transaction as their is no authentication past the CVV.

Masterpass - Masterpass is a wallet solution in the rest of the world. It stores your card details, along with billing and shipping addresses. The implementation in South Africa through the mobile app is either using 3DSecure, or AMT(authenticated mobile transaction) which is a world first in the payment industry. Both these transaction types falls under the cheaper interchange as per link above.

If you do indeed work for PayD then you would know that when it comes to SnapScan, its not that clear cut because of who the PSP is.... ;) And Yip, Masterpass is treated as Card present because of AMT.
 
Yes, in this country you HAVE to be a bank to be considered an acquirer. A PSP can not switch a transaction straight to the issuing bank, that is sort at source. The merchant signs an agreement with an acquiring bank, and as such all transactions MUST be sent via the acquirer. PSPs don't settle merchants, Banks settle merchants.

I am not disagreeing with you. However, it must be stated that I believe Apple Pay is not a PSP, they have an acquiring license, in the US at least. I am not sure how they are setup here, but given that you can hold value in the ZA app store in ZAR, I imagine they are a registered financial services provider.
 
And if you go look at those fees, you will see its exactly as i said - the fees for Card Not Present are higher.

you said their are only card present, and card not present. These categories are split up even more.

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If you do indeed work for PayD then you would know that when it comes to SnapScan, its not that clear cut because of who the PSP is.... ;) And Yip, Masterpass is treated as Card present because of AMT.

payD has nothing to do with Snapscan. It's a payment solution that uses the AMT payment type.

Masterpass is NOT treated as card present. Masterpass is just the wallet. When a transaction is performed with masterpass it will either be a 3DSecure transaction or AMT. It will only be 3DSecure if your issuing bank is not a AMT participant, which is basically only FNB from the big four, and Nedbank Credit Cards.
 
I am not disagreeing with you. However, it must be stated that I believe Apple Pay is not a PSP, they have an acquiring license, in the US at least. I am not sure how they are setup here, but given that you can hold value in the ZA app store in ZAR, I imagine they are a registered financial services provider.

The value is settled from their card into their account. They don't hold that deposit on your behalf. They are not a registered financial services provider in that sense. Only banks are allowed to take deposits in this country. If you load your ZA store wallet, it's essentially a payment from your account, to theirs.
 
You are quite wrong about some things here, so let me break it down piece by piece.



Can I have a source for the above statement?

You can get the source from your mothership, the reference architecture has been distributed to all the banks.


(1) Not true, not all BINs are cleared via BankservAfrica, some are cleared via MasterCard or Visa.
(2) No it won't. Bankserv don't deal with merchants. They are a clearing house, and as such only deal with transactions between banks. Not even PSPs.
(3) This is not what payD does. I work for payD. You might be referring to PayU, Paythru, Innervation, Nomad, etc, which are POS aggregators and provide POS services on behalf of the acquiring banks.

(1) Correct, I was judicious with the use of the words "All South African BINS". At present, FNB do note clear interbank in South Africa through Bankserve for Card transactions, they use VISA and MasterCard direct. The same for Amex, Diners and Cups. Amex is routed to Nedbank - if the Acquiring service is Nedbank it wont hit Bankserve. Same for Diners and Cups at Standard Bank.

(2) The impact to Bankserve will be a reduction in clearing transactions between banks because essentially Apple will be doing sorting at source, whether we all like it or not. They stated clearly yesterday that there preference is to clear directly with the issuer and not use networks or clearing houses.

(3) I actually did mean PayU, my bad. I am well aware of the fact that PayD is now a innovation division of one of the big four banks in SA and are not aggregating as such.

The banks here will most definitely stop this. This is sort at source which is not allowed in this country. A merchant can only have 1 acquirer. They may not have different terminals for different banks.

Sort at source is not illegal. Its just not a good way to get the best rate. Its very difficult for the banks to police this because there is nothing stopping merchants having accounts with all the big four (and I can cite at least three major retailers in this country who do exactly this). To get around the ethics, the retailers always use the "DRP" excuse. At the end of the day, the retailers will sort at source to get the lowest costs. Acquirers build this into their rates strategy.

Also, acquiring transactions from merchants are an acquirer function. Who will pay the interchange to the issuier if the acquirer is cut out? A company like Apple cannot be an acquirer in this country, only banks can be acquirers.

Like I said, I am not sure how Apple will get around this in ZA. They will most probably partner with a Bank. The requirement to be an acquirer is that you need to be a registered financial services provider. You dont necessarily need to be a bank. Bear in mind that Visa and MasterCard and not banks per se, but Amex is. It depends on the application and the country.


You seem very sure on how apply pay will work, will love to read the same source material than you have.

Your mothership will have a copy...;)
 
payD has nothing to do with Snapscan. It's a payment solution that uses the AMT payment type.

Maybe not technically, but I think you know exactly what I was referring to... Different products, ultimately competing against each other in the same bank.
 
You can get the source from your mothership, the reference architecture has been distributed to all the banks.

What? The architecture of Apple Pay has been distributed to the south african banks? Don't be silly.

(1) Correct, I was judicious with the use of the words "All South African BINS". At present, FNB do note clear interbank in South Africa through Bankserve for Card transactions, they use VISA and MasterCard direct. The same for Amex, Diners and Cups. Amex is routed to Nedbank - if the Acquiring service is Nedbank it wont hit Bankserve. Same for Diners and Cups at Standard Bank.

(2) The impact to Bankserve will be a reduction in clearing transactions between banks because essentially Apple will be doing sorting at source, whether we all like it or not. They stated clearly yesterday that there preference is to clear directly with the issuer and not use networks or clearing houses.

There is simply no way that the Reserve Bank will allow someone like apple to clear directly to the issuing bank. It won't happen.

(3) I actually did mean PayU, my bad. I am well aware of the fact that PayD is now a innovation division of one of the big four banks in SA and are not aggregating as such.

OK. So who are you, cause you clearly know who I am. Drop me a PM.

Sort at source is not illegal. Its just not a good way to get the best rate. Its very difficult for the banks to police this because there is nothing stopping merchants having accounts with all the big four (and I can cite at least three major retailers in this country who do exactly this). To get around the ethics, the retailers always use the "DRP" excuse. At the end of the day, the retailers will sort at source to get the lowest costs. Acquirers build this into their rates strategy.

OK, I also know about some retailers that have done this, but they have had special permission from the reserve bank on this, afaik.

Like I said, I am not sure how Apple will get around this in ZA. They will most probably partner with a Bank. The requirement to be an acquirer is that you need to be a registered financial services provider. You dont necessarily need to be a bank. Bear in mind that Visa and MasterCard and not banks per se, but Amex is. It depends on the application and the country.


They will probably partner with a bank WHO will be their acquirer. They won't be an acquirer themselves. Visa and MasterCard are not acquirers.

Your mothership will have a copy...;)

Hmmm... you obviously know me a lot better than I know you. Waiting for PM ;)
 
What? The architecture of Apple Pay has been distributed to the south african banks? Don't be silly.

Yip, the integration architecture has been circulated. Its also available on developer.apple.com

There is simply no way that the Reserve Bank will allow someone like apple to clear directly to the issuing bank. It won't happen.

In South Africa, you are quite correct. I acknowledged that already ;) However, they do allow some payment processors to run their own switches, and to sort to acquiring services. See below. Whether apple do it directly, or through a PSP, they will be bypassing Bankserve.

OK, I also know about some retailers that have done this, but they have had special permission from the reserve bank on this, afaik.

Nope. Multi-acquirer enabled service is a feature offered by the organisation you work for. Look at this link :

http://www.ecentric.co.za/services/bankcard-acceptance

I think perhaps you have misunderstood sort at source. Almost all the PSPs are doing it nowadays. Better to get some margin by introducing some control at the PSP level than to get no margin... The PSPs are beginning to compete with Bankserve on interconnects, but the banks are allowing it because a. they mostly own the PSPs and Bankserver, and b. it keeps the savings away from the merchant and at least gives them some margin.

They will probably partner with a bank WHO will be their acquirer.

After reading through the reference architecture, my understanding right now is this : the definition of the term acquirer, and what the functions of an aquiring service are, varies from country to country. If you look at the reference architecture in terms of function points, then it will be applied in South Africa via PSPs or Payment Processors because the processor/acquirer role is largely split in SA. Expect merchants to partner with their PSPs to enable Apple Pay via a multi-acquirer strategy.

They won't be an acquirer themselves. Visa and MasterCard are not acquirers.

You need to add "In South Africa" to that statement. In our context, they are card associations. Amex and Diners are acquirers because they hold merchant accounts for settlement. That is the differentiator. In some countries, MasterCard and Visa both hold merchant accounts for their merchants and settle direct. In South Africa, the settlement for SA issued cards comes from the issuing bank. For Diners and Amex merchants, the settlement is direct unless its licensed off a merchant account in the core Card Processing System in the relevant bank (like the SAA Voyager Amex card). Diners SA operate as their own acquirer and hold their own merchant accounts. They do not use Standard Bank Card accounts.
 
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Yip, the integration architecture has been circulated. Its also available on developer.apple.com
Thanks I'll have a look.


In South Africa, you are quite correct. I acknowledged that already ;) However, they do allow some payment processors to run their own switches, and to sort to acquiring services. See below.

Nope. Multi-acquirer enabled service is a feature offered by the organisation you work for. Look at this link :

http://www.ecentric.co.za/services/bankcard-acceptance

I think perhaps you have misunderstood sort at source. Almost all the PSPs are doing it nowadays. Better to get some margin by introducing some control at the PSP level than to get no margin...

I think you misunderstand what PSPs are doing. Let's say the merchant is Frikkie's corner shop. His bank is Standard Bank. His PSP is PayU. PayU will acquire all transactions for cards accepted at Frikkie's corner shop. He will switch ALL transaction to Standard Bank. He wil NOT send the Nedbank cards (for example) to Nedbank directly. It will be sent to Standard Bank, Standard Bank will send it to BankservAfrica, who will send it to Nedbank. Nedbank will authorize the transaction and it flows all the way back. Cool. At night time, Standard Bank settles Nedbank, who in turn settles the merchant.

There are not things called supermerchants, but let's not confuse the issue here :)

After reading through the reference architecture, my understanding right now is this : the definition of the term acquirer, and what the functions of an aquiring service are, varies from country to country. If you look at the reference architecture in terms of function points, then it will be applied in South Africa via PSPs or Payment Processors because the processor/acquirer role is largely split in SA. Expect merchants to partner with their PSPs to enable Apple Pay via a multi-acquirer strategy.
I hear you, still don't see apple bypassing an acquiring bank.

You need to add "In South Africa" to that statement. In our context, they are card associations. Amex and Diners are acquirers because they hold merchant accounts for settlement. That is the differentiator. In some countries, MasterCard and Visa both hold merchant accounts for their merchants and settle direct. In South Africa, the settlement for SA issued cards comes from the issuing bank. For Diners and Amex merchants, the settlement is direct unless its licensed off a merchant account in the core Card Processing System in the relevant bank (like the SAA Voyager Amex card). Diners SA operate as their own acquirer and hold their own merchant accounts. They do not use Standard Bank Card accounts.

True. Amex and Diners are only holding merchant accounts because of the way they work. This is an exception to the rule in this country. I don't know enough about amex and diners to argue this point with you.

PS: Still waiting for me PM :)
 
I think you misunderstand what PSPs are doing. Let's say the merchant is Frikkie's corner shop. His bank is Standard Bank. His PSP is PayU. PayU will acquire all transactions for cards accepted at Frikkie's corner shop. He will switch ALL transaction to Standard Bank. He wil NOT send the Nedbank cards (for example) to Nedbank directly. It will be sent to Standard Bank, Standard Bank will send it to BankservAfrica, who will send it to Nedbank. Nedbank will authorize the transaction and it flows all the way back. Cool. At night time, Standard Bank settles Nedbank, who in turn settles the merchant.

There are not things called supermerchants, but let's not confuse the issue here :)

That is not what Eccentric are doing. They have multi-acquirers. So if Frikkie has a merchant account at Standard Bank and at Nedbank, they will route Standard Bank cards to Standard and settle into the Standard merchant account, and Nedbank cards to Nedbank and settle into the Nedbank Merchant account. What the PSP will not do is interfere in the settlement path - i.e. if an ABSA card is presented, and the merchant doesn't have an ABSA merchant account, they will not route the auth to ABSA. However, its only a matter of time until they do.

In the bigger scheme of things, the path is quite simple : Merchant -> Merchant Acquirer > Card association Network -> Card issuer. The merchant acquirer is split into multiple roles, the two main being merchant account holder and payment processor. In this country, you will see examples of where the acquirers hold the merchant accounts (and the settlements and clearing that go with it) AND the payment processing (ie. some banks own the POS devices and the networks issued to the networks), and you will examples of where the payment processing is split out of the acquiring role (PSPs, host to host etc). In the US the border between the two is a lot more fluid than in SA because we are more legislated as to who can do what role. You still need to bear this in mind because when you hear companies like Apple talking about acquiring services, it doesn't necessarily mean the same as we interpret it - the merchant account holders and settlement. Often they are talking about the processing part. Apple do meet the US definition of a full acquirer though, because they do hold Merchant accounts for US Apple Pay merchants (when you register as a US based Apple Pay merchant you are issued with a merchant account for settlement). When we translate this back to SA though, Apple are not going to be able to do this part, they are only going to be able to do the payment processing and they are going to have to partner with the existing PSPs and Banks for merchant accounts and non NFC processing (what merchant will not want a POS device capable of accepting EMV - they are not going to rely solely on Apple Pay so will need additional merchant services). Hope this helps make it a bit clearer. I know you get it - this was for the benefit of everyone else wondering how it fits in. It is important to note however, that even though Apple are challenging in the Payment space, they are not "going after" the big three. They have partnered with them and are essentially also using their networks for card association interchanges. They just have a preference - in the US - to go directly to the issuer. How this will play out in the USA is that banks like Chase will be able to issue Chase cards without a license from the big three for specific use on the Apple Pay network. The advantage here is still under NDA, but from what i can gather, it all relates to Apples future vendor loyalty program (most bank loyalty programs are funded via swipe fees).
 
That is not what Eccentric are doing. They have multi-acquirers. So if Frikkie has a merchant account at Standard Bank and at Nedbank, they will route Standard Bank cards to Standard and settle into the Standard merchant account, and Nedbank cards to Nedbank and settle into the Nedbank Merchant account. What the PSP will not do is interfere in the settlement path - i.e. if an ABSA card is presented, and the merchant doesn't have an ABSA merchant account, they will not route the auth to ABSA. However, its only a matter of time until they do.

In the bigger scheme of things, the path is quite simple : Merchant -> Merchant Acquirer > Card association Network -> Card issuer. The merchant acquirer is split into multiple roles, the two main being merchant account holder and payment processor. In this country, you will see examples of where the acquirers hold the merchant accounts (and the settlements and clearing that go with it) AND the payment processing (ie. some banks own the POS devices and the networks issued to the networks), and you will examples of where the payment processing is split out of the acquiring role (PSPs, host to host etc). In the US the border between the two is a lot more fluid than in SA because we are more legislated as to who can do what role. You still need to bear this in mind because when you hear companies like Apple talking about acquiring services, it doesn't necessarily mean the same as we interpret it - the merchant account holders and settlement. Often they are talking about the processing part. Apple do meet the US definition of a full acquirer though, because they do hold Merchant accounts for US Apple Pay merchants (when you register as a US based Apple Pay merchant you are issued with a merchant account for settlement). When we translate this back to SA though, Apple are not going to be able to do this part, they are only going to be able to do the payment processing and they are going to have to partner with the existing PSPs and Banks for merchant accounts and non NFC processing (what merchant will not want a POS device capable of accepting EMV - they are not going to rely solely on Apple Pay so will need additional merchant services). Hope this helps make it a bit clearer. I know you get it - this was for the benefit of everyone else wondering how it fits in. It is important to note however, that even though Apple are challenging in the Payment space, they are not "going after" the big three. They have partnered with them and are essentially also using their networks for card association interchanges. They just have a preference - in the US - to go directly to the issuer. How this will play out in the USA is that banks like Chase will be able to issue Chase cards without a license from the big three for specific use on the Apple Pay network. The advantage here is still under NDA, but from what i can gather, it all relates to Apples future vendor loyalty program (most bank loyalty programs are funded via swipe fees).
Ah, now this makes a lot more sense and I agree with you on what they can and can't do. :)

I honestly didn't know eccentric is doing. I was at a Pasa course the other day where walter volker was and he spoke specifically about sort at source. So hearing this about them is concerning. Unless you are specifically talking about the exceptions we know about for those big retailers.
 
And Cupertino gets a cut of every transaction... YOU pay for the convenienc as traders wont absorb the costs. Google Wallet is a similar concent but with people not giving a toss about NFC or other things they dont care....

What is more convnient... a plastic card that has no battery and 'Just works' or a phone with a NFC connection that only works if your phone works.
Which end is terminating the payments? If Apple do the termination, I can imagine more and more malware of iOS devices coming out (rooted phones of course) that rip people off in their sleep.
 
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