Apple versus Adobe

hawker said:
Meh, it's a good thing. Flash is terrible. I hate it with a passion. Adobe is behaving like a spoilt child now. If Apple doesn't want to implement flash support on their devices then they don't have to.
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Adobe make their money from selling developer tools. If html 5 could provide their customers everything they needed, they would dump the flash plugin. Their man in charge has said this already.

I am not an IPhone fan boy, but I do work embedded devices. We work with a major CPU vendor, who might have a CPU capable of running Flash Lite sometime in the future. These guys are a major partner on Flash Lite yet their mid ranged CPUs can't even run the trimmed down Flash Lite.

Flash type animations will eventually come to embedded devices like cell phones. But right now the IPhone's attitude is to be eleitest. Customers pay for apps on the apple store because they work, are responsive and don't eat the battery.

If you want a phone that is more open, and ins't over sensitive saving cpu cycles, then buy an Android phone. People buy an IPhone because it works well, and if it can't do something well, it doesn't try.

Its the same reason Steve kicked Java off the IPhone... Java apps also eat resources compared to native apps.
 
This whole thread sounds like it needs a whambulance. So many cry baby fanbois that are either not willing to admit Apple arrogance (appletude) or seriously think they can fight the tide. Really guys, get in the whambulance, club Tropicana has lots of fruity cocktails for you.

About Flash and Java on embedded devices, not a problem for ARM devices. Most Nokia phones with a 230+Mhz CPU can do Flash Lite and since ARM7 they have built Jazelle extended ARM devices that have a built in Java VM - enabling dumb non smartphone devices like the Series40 Nokias to run J2ME natively.

The iPhone is very capible of running Flash and Java - yet Steve is trying to make be as anti-competitive as possible and cross platform development is his worst nightmare. If he would he would built his on MSN (original failed version) and have his on SML (Steve Markup Language) to replace HTML.
 
BobJones said:
Seems like what you saw running on the Desire is Flash lite... If you want Flash running on Android it sounds like you have to wait for it go move out of "pre-beta" and get a phone that the manufacturer upgrade to "froyo and above" (whatever the hell that means).

Sounds like it's going to be working fine "imminently" :D

Good luck with that. Maybe hold on to the iPhone a while longer?
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1. Flash Lite or not, it works fine. May I have it please?
2. Android 2.2 was released yesterday.
3. You sound like a fanboy. I do not want to be part of the Apple Cult.
 
Btw, I've never had Flash crash on my PC with Windows XP. I've spoken to a long term senior Mac Flash developer and they haven't experienced crashes or hot running CPU's and were mistified about the current Jobsian claims.
 
ssr said:
Microsoft is heading towards the Apple camp in the Flash debate.
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Well: "For Mozilla, H.264 is not currently a suitable technology choice. In many countries, it is a patented technology, meaning that it is illegal to use without paying license fees to the MPEG-LA. "

And also for those html5 vs flash on "resource hog": Maybe this is why flash sucks on macs?

Interesting that no-ones pointed out how apple and MS would control the market if html5 used their codec hey?

This "war" is about 2 things:
1 - Flash and Flex would be able to bypass the apple apps and destroy the app store.
2 - The big players in the world want to get the patent on video playback on the web.

Only reason people really hate flash is that because they associate it with ads on the web. Flash can be blocked, html5 can't... image the adverts to come? You'll hate html5 more than you ever hated flash. People have such strong opinions of html5 (ie "apple") vs flash when html5 isn't even out of the "draft" phase yet.
 
Strange how ignorant some people are - do you understand the importance of good competition ? maybe not, Do you know where your beloved Microsoft would be without healthy competition from an innovating company like Apple showing the way ? In the past 4 or 5 years, Apple have been coming up with some phenomenal industry firsts, and this is forcing the others to play catch up - which is benefiting the non-Apple users. If you hate Apple so much (I can't see why, if you don't use them) then just stay away from their products, easy peasy.
About the issue of including Adobe - well I honestly cannot see the big deal.......If Mercedes-Benz said that it didn't want to run some Nissan software or hardware in their car, because it will affect performance/fuel economy etc, then I don't see what the big deal is all about, and I support their stance because at the end of the day they are wanting a better reputation for their end product.
 
eltherza said:
Well: "For Mozilla, H.264 is not currently a suitable technology choice. In many countries, it is a patented technology, meaning that it is illegal to use without paying license fees to the MPEG-LA. "

...Interesting that no-ones pointed out how apple and MS would control the market if html5 used their codec hey?
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we have, in threads specifically related to html 5.
there you go. google has open sourced VP8 as anticipated.
http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/05/google-io-2010-on2s-vp8-video-codec-now-open-source/
 
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mac pfft

Macs are well designed and all.. love the unibody design, but if you spend the same amount on pc hardware... well you get what you pay for. I've got os x snow leopard running on pc hardware... but windows 7 can do more if you ask me... there's a much wider selection of software and games on the windows 7 support catalog.

viruses. hmmm. if you had redmond(microsoft) peruse every line of code before you get a certificate to run your software on windows there wouldn't be any viruses on windows either. microsoft love em or hate em does not work like this. you are free to do much more in my opinion (not as free as linux though), just use eset NOD32(one of the best antivirus imho), run the noscript addon in firefox, and don't just install any software you lay your hands on. if you still get infected... you shouldn't own a pc, or that virus was quite a bad one(these are rare)

Macs are pc's anyway, they use intel processors, with the same ram, same graphics cards... i have to say that os x is great for design... but mac isn't as exclusive as it used to be. you can buy OSX for about R400 and use a guide on the net to install it on your pc. it's just another OS...

so mac fanboys... stop hyping... you're not that special.
 
gorgamin said:
Macs are well designed and all.. love the unibody design, but if you spend the same amount on pc hardware... well you get what you pay for. I've got os x snow leopard running on pc hardware... but windows 7 can do more if you ask me... there's a much wider selection of software and games on the windows 7 support catalog.

viruses. hmmm. if you had redmond(microsoft) peruse every line of code before you get a certificate to run your software on windows there wouldn't be any viruses on windows either. microsoft love em or hate em does not work like this. you are free to do much more in my opinion (not as free as linux though), just use eset NOD32(one of the best antivirus imho), run the noscript addon in firefox, and don't just install any software you lay your hands on. if you still get infected... you shouldn't own a pc, or that virus was quite a bad one(these are rare)

Macs are pc's anyway, they use intel processors, with the same ram, same graphics cards... i have to say that os x is great for design... but mac isn't as exclusive as it used to be. you can buy OSX for about R400 and use a guide on the net to install it on your pc. it's just another OS...

so mac fanboys... stop hyping... you're not that special.
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by the way it's R329 for Mac OS X Snow Leopard
http://www.zastore.co.za/prodview.php?prod_id=11924

and here's how to do it...
http://lifehacker.com/5351485/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish
 
biometrics said:
1. Flash Lite or not, it works fine. May I have it please?
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Sure any time, just not on iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad. Pick any other smartphone and you're fine... hang on, no other smartphone has flash either. I wonder what's up with that?
biometrics said:
2. Android 2.2 was released yesterday.
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No. It been announced. Funny how Apple's shipping products are always compared to what their competitors are still building.
biometrics said:
3. You sound like a fanboy. I do not want to be part of the Apple Cult.
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You free to do whatever you want - wait for Windows Mobile Whatchamacallit, bash your head against a wall, or whatever.:wtf:
 
biometrics said:
Btw, I've never had Flash crash on my PC with Windows XP. I've spoken to a long term senior Mac Flash developer and they haven't experienced crashes or hot running CPU's and were mistified about the current Jobsian claims.
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Yeah, I'm just imagining the sound of my MBP fans hitting 6,000 rpm and tingly heat on my legs which mysteriously disappear once I shut the flash based website.
 
gorgamin said:
Macs are well designed and all.. love the unibody design, but if you spend the same amount on pc hardware... well you get what you pay for. I've got os x snow leopard running on pc hardware... but windows 7 can do more if you ask me... there's a much wider selection of software and games on the windows 7 support catalog.
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Not quite - we've heard this myth before, and it turns out you pay more for a similarly spec'd PC than you do for a mac. Head over to Incredible Corruption and see if you can find an i7 laptop with vaguely the same spec as a 15" MBP for a lesser price.
gorgamin said:
viruses. hmmm. if you had redmond(microsoft) peruse every line of code before you get a certificate to run your software on windows there wouldn't be any viruses on windows either. microsoft love em or hate em does not work like this. you are free to do much more in my opinion (not as free as linux though), just use eset NOD32(one of the best antivirus imho), run the noscript addon in firefox, and don't just install any software you lay your hands on. if you still get infected... you shouldn't own a pc, or that virus was quite a bad one(these are rare)
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What's a virus? Methinks you're confusing App Store reviews for iPhone/iPad apps with some non-existant mac OS X software 'certificate'. Write back when you get a clue.
gorgamin said:
Macs are pc's anyway, they use intel processors, with the same ram, same graphics cards... i have to say that os x is great for design... but mac isn't as exclusive as it used to be. you can buy OSX for about R400 and use a guide on the net to install it on your pc. it's just another OS...
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The link you post clearly states that the hack should work with only the listed hardware - that's a lot different from what you suggest.
gorgamin said:
so mac fanboys... stop hyping... you're not that special.
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Turns out the only 'special' poster here is you. And yes, I do mean 'special' in that way.
 
Quote Originally Posted by biometrics View Post
Btw, I've never had Flash crash on my PC with Windows XP. I've spoken to a long term senior Mac Flash developer and they haven't experienced crashes or hot running CPU's and were mistified about the current Jobsian claims.
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Just wait for the outcry when people realise there's no Flash player for 64-bit (as in Windows 7) browsers nor even a release date for one... Check here.
 
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TheRealKiller said:
Just wait for the outcry when people realise there's no Flash player for 64-bit (as in Windows 7) browsers nor even a release date for one... Check here.
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+1 Maybe then Adobe will wake up that 64bit computing/browsers are gaining traction.
 
BobJones said:
Sure any time, just not on iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad. Pick any other smartphone and you're fine... hang on, no other smartphone has flash either. I wonder what's up with that?
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I mentioned the HTC Desire in my first post. Bye bye iPhone.

No. It been announced. Funny how Apple's shipping products are always compared to what their competitors are still building.
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NO. It has been released.
 
biometrics said:
I mentioned the HTC Desire in my first post. Bye bye iPhone.
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HTC Desire runs something called Flash lite - not even Adobe claims that there is a full version of flash running on any smartphone. Can you buy a HTC Desire in SA?

biometrics said:
NO. It has been released.
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Er, no... it has been announced and a developer preview (beta build) and SDK have been released - to developers. And if we go by previous examples, you can look forward to it being in google "beta" for several years.:wtf:

So run on out and get the sdk download for your nexus one.:)
 
Lydon said:
Apple are getting way too big for their boots. The only thing of use they churn out these days is the iPod.
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+1

As we all have realised by now, it's apps that make people buy a certain OS/platform. Just look at the iPhone apps store and you'll know what I mean.

Adobe made the Mac a "must have" because of their graphics/video/web suites and then the relationship soured when Adobe started to offer it for Windows as well.

But to get back to the comment made by Lydon....the day I got my iPhone I took it out of the box, popped in the simcard and wanted to make a phone call. I couldn't do it. No sir. I had to first download the horrible iTunes, connect my phone to my notebook and register my phone. All good. Steve Jobs has given me permission to use one of his phones and I had to bow down and realise that it might be my hardware, but the software (which is actually what it's all about) is still controlled by Apple.

That's why this will be my last iPhone and an Android phone next. Oh, and I finally did get freedom with my iPhone, it's called "jailbreak". :)
 
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