Are we still whiners?

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Well, after this year's load shedding and the direction the country's economy may now take, are those of us who "whined" about poor planning and lack of skills in key areas, still "whiners"?

How many people have changed their minds in regards to immigration/emigration?
Curious as to both directions here - and for the sake of argument, let us group immigration with "returning from abroad".

Spoke to a friend resident in the UK last week - always said he would come back to ZA when he turned 30 - he is here on a visit at the moment, and now he says he will never come back. The difference since his last visit a year ago is, I quote, "noticeable - and not in a good way". Considering that while on holiday the "edges are not as sharp*", that is damning.


/me flame suit ON




* Holidaying is always with rose-tinted glasses.
 
Yeah look I've always tried to remain positive about the future of our nation but I'm finding it extremely difficult to do at the mo....

I'm off to breakfast with my brother and his family this morning, they leave for OZ on the 25th and I'm inclined to believe that just lately their decision has been vindicated.

Hell I can put up with corrupt politicians cause that's the nature of politicians the world over, lets not kid ourselves and as for the horrendous crime, believe it or not but it can be avoided by "dressing down" but the damage these power cuts threaten to do to this countries infrastructure is insurmountable...
 
Well I have never been blind about SA. I have known for years that this was coming and you know what? The water infrastructure is next.
My g/f and I are making plans to leave here by June/ July. Once I am there, I will bring my family over. This country is exactly like the rest of Africa. That is a fact.
the people who dont get it are blind or maybe brain dead.
 
marine1 said:
Well I have never been blind about SA. I have known for years that this was coming and you know what? The water infrastructure is next.
My g/f and I are making plans to leave here by June/ July. Once I am there, I will bring my family over. This country is exactly like the rest of Africa. That is a fact.
the people who dont get it are blind or maybe brain dead.
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Or on the gravy train - or qualify for a ticket on said train.
 
marine1 said:
Well I have never been blind about SA. I have known for years that this was coming and you know what? The water infrastructure is next.
My g/f and I are making plans to leave here by June/ July. Once I am there, I will bring my family over. This country is exactly like the rest of Africa. That is a fact.
the people who dont get it are blind or maybe brain dead.
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I agree, politicians the world over are all similar when you throw money at them. I don't mind a lot of the things that are happening at the moment in SA, but the load shedding is just too much. Its taken the whole thing to another level.
 
I have to say theres not too much incentive to immigrate into South Africa. In the US they're having power cuts due to horrendous storms. Here we have them due to stupidity :/ Not exactly portraying a good message to the rest of planet Earth. The right arm doesn't seem to know what the left arm is doing. We fight tooth and nail to get the bid for the FIFA world cup, and get it, and then someone makes a stupid mistake and it all goes to hell. I dread to think whats going to happen to us in 2010. Probably be in permanent darkness.
 
dogmeat said:
I have to say theres not too much incentive to immigrate into South Africa. In the US they're having power cuts due to horrendous storms. Here we have them due to stupidity :/ Not exactly portraying a good message to the rest of planet Earth. The right arm doesn't seem to know what the left arm is doing. We fight tooth and nail to get the bid for the FIFA world cup, and get it, and then someone makes a stupid mistake and it all goes to hell. I dread to think whats going to happen to us in 2010. Probably be in permanent darkness.
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Well, those of us that have left won't be able to see the games - it will be live only - no power to broadcast.
 
Moederloos said:
Well, after this year's load shedding and the direction the country's economy may now take, are those of us who "whined" about poor planning and lack of skills in key areas, still "whiners"?

How many people have changed their minds in regards to immigration/emigration?
Curious as to both directions here - and for the sake of argument, let us group immigration with "returning from abroad".

Spoke to a friend resident in the UK last week - always said he would come back to ZA when he turned 30 - he is here on a visit at the moment, and now he says he will never come back. The difference since his last visit a year ago is, I quote, "noticeable - and not in a good way". Considering that while on holiday the "edges are not as sharp*", that is damning.


/me flame suit ON




* Holidaying is always with rose-tinted glasses.
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This country has gone downhill since 1966.
 
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Moederloos said:
Well, those of us that have left won't be able to see the games - it will be live only - no power to broadcast.
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Eskom will just re-route it all to the stadiums and tv stations. Guess where its going to be re-routed from... :/
 
look at the bright side. Once all the educated people who use computers every day have left SA, then there will be more power for the rest :)
 
MyselfY9Y said:
This country has gone downfill [downhill] since 1966.
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More likely 1996.

I left Eskom in 1988 when they had the "big white-out" and now we have the 'big blackouts", and at the time I left load shedding was unheard of.

I have many friends, mostly professionals, that like me work abroad for international power companies with many of them in senior posts.
It would take a lot to get them back, that is if you could lure them back.

It is a myth that the blackouts are only due to the lack of foresight and planning for new power plants - it's is a major lack of skills and poor work ethic. The maintenance is not getting done and when it does get done the equipment is in a worse state - take the bolt left inside the turbo-generator at Koeberg - that, like the black-outs were unheard, and unthinkable.
 
Frankie said:
More likely 1996.

I left Eskom in 1988 when they had the "big white-out" and now we have the 'big blackouts", and at the time I left load shedding was unheard of.
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One of my friends dad was a big guy in Eskom when the "big white-out" happened as you put it :D.

Apparently when expectations of future consumption and developments were discussed with their "replacements", they were simply accused of thinking the new management stupid and that they just wanted all those projects to go to their "white buddies" to skim some money while they still could. They were then told the gravy train is over and that the new management didn't need lecturing on how to do their jobs.

Interesting how things turned out isn't it.
 
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