Article: Amend property ownership in constitution: ANCYL

The ANCYL insisted on Thursday that Section 25 of the Constitution, which deals with property ownership, be amended.

There needed to be expropriation of land without compensation, and the nationalisation of mines, African National Congress Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola said at policy talks in Pretoria.
 
The same old sh*t. FFS can't I read the news for just one day without a report about the ANCYL moaning about mines and land?
 
We should nationalise big bags of sh*t and issue them to the ANCYL, by force, without compensation.
 
And when they get the land they will also want all the tractors and harvesters free while the owner keeps paying off the bank.
 
daveza said:
And when they get the land they will also want all the tractors and harvesters free while the owner keeps paying off the bank.
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Naturally. For them this would be the best solution - the ONLY solution, eco-know-me-carly speaking.
 
Wiskunde in die 1960's :
'n Boer verkoop 'n bakkievrag vol brandhout vir R100. Sy produksie-koste is 4/5 van die prys. Wat is sy profyt?

* Wiskunde in die 1970's :
'n Boer verkoop 'n bakkievrag vol brandhout vir R100. Sy uitgawes is 4/5 van die bedrag, of R80. Wat is sy profyt?

* Wiskunde in die 1980's :
'n Boer verkoop 'n bakkievrag vol brandhout vir R100. Sy uitgawes is R80.
Het hy 'n profyt gemaak?

* Wiskunde in die 1990's :
'n Boer verkoop 'n bakkievrag vol brandhout vir R100. Sy uitgawes is R80 en sy profyt is R20. Opdrag: Onderstreep die syfer 20.

* Wiskunde in die 2011's:
'n Boer kap 'n pragtige woud af sodat hy 'n profyt van R20 kan maak. Voordat hy dit egter kan verkoop, word hy geskiet en sy bakkie gekaap.
Die kaper verkoop die hout vir R50 en die boer se bakkie vir R800 en maak dus 'n wins van slegs R850. Opdrag: Verduidelik hoekom dit apartheid se skuld is.
 
Please everyone, gather round. Today I will show you the habits of the butthurt reactionary. From this perspective you can clearly see that the one dubbed as Hemi is showing a classic case of butthurt.
 
Coming from an ANCYL member that is not brainwashed :D, I would say try not to worry too much and don't get angry about all these newspaper articles about ANCYL statements. The statements made by the ANCYL about nationalization of mines and expropriation without compensation are meant to catalyze social and economic changes and help fix inequality in this country. But I will not deny that there are some in the YL that definitely want those policies implemented so that they can personally benefit from South Africa's destruction. The ANCYL called for nationalization of mines (largely because communities around mines are not benefiting from mining operations/profit, which is totally unacceptable and ridiculous), poor people on the ground listened and that put pressure on the ANC to sort of meet the ANCYL's demand halfway. Now the ANC is talking about Resource Rent Tax, and I am sure that it will be implemented and the YL will keep quite for a while about nationalization. If there was no calling for nationalization, then there would never be talk or discussion about the RRT. This would have resulted in the status quo continuing, which results in growing anger amongst the poor towards the haves, i.e. like people on this forum (including myself) and the ANC elite.

I just came from an ABASA event, a leadership dialogue. Joel Net****enzhe, Steven Friedman and Magdalene Moonsamy spoke and were largely honest about issues affecting this country. What comrade Joel said which I said something similar many times on this forum is that it is in the best interest of the wealthy and the middle class to recognize and admit that there is wide spread inequality in this country. To help close the inequality gap by engaging the poor or doing something to help them so they can help themselves (teach them how to fish so they can feed themselves forever scenario). Certainly complaining on forums and to friends/family will do nothing whatsoever to change things in this country.

We are in a situation in this country were whites own 80% of land, nothing really wrong with that at face value. What is dangerous about it is that this fact is that it can easily be used by someone or people to destabilize the country, either now or 50 years from now. This situation is just a bomb, there are a lot of matchsticks lying around and one person can use those matchsticks to light of that bomb. If the element of race is removed, i.e. if blacks own majority of land in this country, then it will be very difficult for the Juliuses of this world to get a following. But if the status quo persists, then it's a gold medal for the Juliuses and the Hitlers of this country. The topic should be how should land be transferred to blacks (without changing the constitution like Lamola has said), not if the Khoi are the original owners of the land or not. Deflecting this debate any further (like the FF+ leader did a few months ago) will make it very easy for the Juliuses of this world, very very very easy.
 
Sly21C said:
Coming from an ANCYL member that is not brainwashed :D, I would say try not to worry too much and don't get angry about all these newspaper articles about ANCYL statements. The statements made by the ANCYL about nationalization of mines and expropriation without compensation are meant to catalyze social and economic changes and help fix inequality in this country. But I will not deny that there are some in the YL that definitely want those policies implemented so that they can personally benefit from South Africa's destruction. The ANCYL called for nationalization of mines (largely because communities around mines are not benefiting from mining operations/profit, which is totally unacceptable and ridiculous), poor people on the ground listened and that put pressure on the ANC to sort of meet the ANCYL's demand halfway. Now the ANC is talking about Resource Rent Tax, and I am sure that it will be implemented and the YL will keep quite for a while about nationalization. If there was no calling for nationalization, then there would never be talk or discussion about the RRT. This would have resulted in the status quo continuing, which results in growing anger amongst the poor towards the haves, i.e. like people on this forum (including myself) and the ANC elite.

I just came from an ABASA event, a leadership dialogue. Joel Net****enzhe, Steven Friedman and Magdalene Moonsamy spoke and were largely honest about issues affecting this country. What comrade Joel said which I said something similar many times on this forum is that it is in the best interest of the wealthy and the middle class to recognize and admit that there is wide spread inequality in this country. To help close the inequality gap by engaging the poor or doing something to help them so they can help themselves (teach them how to fish so they can feed themselves forever scenario). Certainly complaining on forums and to friends/family will do nothing whatsoever to change things in this country.

We are in a situation in this country were whites own 80% of land, nothing really wrong with that at face value. What is dangerous about it is that this fact is that it can easily be used by someone or people to destabilize the country, either now or 50 years from now. This situation is just a bomb, there are a lot of matchsticks lying around and one person can use those matchsticks to light of that bomb. If the element of race is removed, i.e. if blacks own majority of land in this country, then it will be very difficult for the Juliuses of this world to get a following. But if the status quo persists, then it's a gold medal for the Juliuses and the Hitlers of this country. The topic should be how should land be transferred to blacks (without changing the constitution like Lamola has said), not if the Khoi are the original owners of the land or not. Deflecting this debate any further (like the FF+ leader did a few months ago) will make it very easy for the Juliuses of this world, very very very easy.
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Post of the day.
 
Sly21C said:
Coming from an ANCYL member that is not brainwashed :D, I would say try not to worry too much and don't get angry about all these newspaper articles about ANCYL statements. The statements made by the ANCYL about nationalization of mines and expropriation without compensation are meant to catalyze social and economic changes and help fix inequality in this country. But I will not deny that there are some in the YL that definitely want those policies implemented so that they can personally benefit from South Africa's destruction. The ANCYL called for nationalization of mines (largely because communities around mines are not benefiting from mining operations/profit, which is totally unacceptable and ridiculous), poor people on the ground listened and that put pressure on the ANC to sort of meet the ANCYL's demand halfway. Now the ANC is talking about Resource Rent Tax, and I am sure that it will be implemented and the YL will keep quite for a while about nationalization. If there was no calling for nationalization, then there would never be talk or discussion about the RRT. This would have resulted in the status quo continuing, which results in growing anger amongst the poor towards the haves, i.e. like people on this forum (including myself) and the ANC elite.

I just came from an ABASA event, a leadership dialogue. Joel Net****enzhe, Steven Friedman and Magdalene Moonsamy spoke and were largely honest about issues affecting this country. What comrade Joel said which I said something similar many times on this forum is that it is in the best interest of the wealthy and the middle class to recognize and admit that there is wide spread inequality in this country. To help close the inequality gap by engaging the poor or doing something to help them so they can help themselves (teach them how to fish so they can feed themselves forever scenario). Certainly complaining on forums and to friends/family will do nothing whatsoever to change things in this country.

We are in a situation in this country were whites own 80% of land, nothing really wrong with that at face value. What is dangerous about it is that this fact is that it can easily be used by someone or people to destabilize the country, either now or 50 years from now. This situation is just a bomb, there are a lot of matchsticks lying around and one person can use those matchsticks to light of that bomb. If the element of race is removed, i.e. if blacks own majority of land in this country, then it will be very difficult for the Juliuses of this world to get a following. But if the status quo persists, then it's a gold medal for the Juliuses and the Hitlers of this country. The topic should be how should land be transferred to blacks (without changing the constitution like Lamola has said), not if the Khoi are the original owners of the land or not. Deflecting this debate any further (like the FF+ leader did a few months ago) will make it very easy for the Juliuses of this world, very very very easy.
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Firstly, the government owns the vast majority of land in SA so I'm not sure where you got that 80% figure or to what kind of land it refers to (perhaps privately owned?).

You know, it's not unreasonable to say that people with money - not just white people, everybody - need to help uplift the poor. The bit that pisses me off tremendously is that people like myself pay large amounts of tax that is intended to go to the poor, at least partially, but this gets wasted by corrupt politicians and general incompetence and inefficiency. I help out my housekeeper with paying for her son's studies. This is with money that I work really really hard for. The government seems to be doing its best to stop me from helping these people that need the help though. It's like I'm fighting an uphill battle.

It's demotivating to be called a racist for no reason, to feel as if the government running your country or atleast parties associated with that government, says things that make you feel hated as a race without formal condemnation. It makes you want to say "to hell with this place, I'll go somewhere I'm wanted." It's also difficult, being unsure of the future and whether you will have to flee at some point with your family because some idiot decided to listen to another idiot with a microphone and attempt to take what is mine and what I worked for.

This is how things are perceived by a lot of people. It's maybe not true, but the truth doesn't matter if that is how people feel. Why should I give to the one hand while the other tries to stab me in the back so that they can have everything?

I'm honestly at the point where I'm following our leaders' example and only looking out for myself. I don't like it, but you can only take so much. As long as these sentiments exist, they can go jump off of a bridge.

PS. I'm not even going to discuss the economic idiocy all this talk of nationalisation is, even only as leverage to achieve something else. It's childish and stupid and steps over a very dangerous line
 
Sly21C said:
Coming from an ANCYL member that is not brainwashed :D, I would say try not to worry too much and don't get angry about all these newspaper articles about ANCYL statements. The statements made by the ANCYL about nationalization of mines and expropriation without compensation are meant to catalyze social and economic changes and help fix inequality in this country. But I will not deny that there are some in the YL that definitely want those policies implemented so that they can personally benefit from South Africa's destruction. The ANCYL called for nationalization of mines (largely because communities around mines are not benefiting from mining operations/profit, which is totally unacceptable and ridiculous), poor people on the ground listened and that put pressure on the ANC to sort of meet the ANCYL's demand halfway. Now the ANC is talking about Resource Rent Tax, and I am sure that it will be implemented and the YL will keep quite for a while about nationalization. If there was no calling for nationalization, then there would never be talk or discussion about the RRT. This would have resulted in the status quo continuing, which results in growing anger amongst the poor towards the haves, i.e. like people on this forum (including myself) and the ANC elite.

I just came from an ABASA event, a leadership dialogue. Joel Net****enzhe, Steven Friedman and Magdalene Moonsamy spoke and were largely honest about issues affecting this country. What comrade Joel said which I said something similar many times on this forum is that it is in the best interest of the wealthy and the middle class to recognize and admit that there is wide spread inequality in this country. To help close the inequality gap by engaging the poor or doing something to help them so they can help themselves (teach them how to fish so they can feed themselves forever scenario). Certainly complaining on forums and to friends/family will do nothing whatsoever to change things in this country.

We are in a situation in this country were whites own 80% of land, nothing really wrong with that at face value. What is dangerous about it is that this fact is that it can easily be used by someone or people to destabilize the country, either now or 50 years from now. This situation is just a bomb, there are a lot of matchsticks lying around and one person can use those matchsticks to light of that bomb. If the element of race is removed, i.e. if blacks own majority of land in this country, then it will be very difficult for the Juliuses of this world to get a following. But if the status quo persists, then it's a gold medal for the Juliuses and the Hitlers of this country. The topic should be how should land be transferred to blacks (without changing the constitution like Lamola has said), not if the Khoi are the original owners of the land or not. Deflecting this debate any further (like the FF+ leader did a few months ago) will make it very easy for the Juliuses of this world, very very very easy.
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i fully agree
 
Sly21C said:
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Seems like classic bullying tactics to me. Firstly, if you want to debate RRT then, for heaven's sake, debate RRT! If what you say is true, it is very disingenuous to always try to force the hand of the ANC. The cart is before the horse here.

How can we know what the YL really stands for??

It would be interesting to know the exact amount of investment which has been lost because of the YL's utterances. At the very least, SA looks headed to lose its role as the "hub into Africa".

Here is a related article:

http://m.news24.com/fin24/Economy/SA-snubbed-by-Bric-investors-20110623
 
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I appreciate Sly21C's comments and for the most part agree with it.

re: 'Whites own 80% of the land',,, really?

How is this determined?
 
Sly21C said:
Coming from an ANCYL member that is not brainwashed :D, I would say try not to worry too much and don't get angry about all these newspaper articles about ANCYL statements. The statements made by the ANCYL about nationalization of mines and expropriation without compensation are meant to catalyze social and economic changes and help fix inequality in this country. But I will not deny that there are some in the YL that definitely want those policies implemented so that they can personally benefit from South Africa's destruction. The ANCYL called for nationalization of mines (largely because communities around mines are not benefiting from mining operations/profit, which is totally unacceptable and ridiculous), poor people on the ground listened and that put pressure on the ANC to sort of meet the ANCYL's demand halfway. Now the ANC is talking about Resource Rent Tax, and I am sure that it will be implemented and the YL will keep quite for a while about nationalization. If there was no calling for nationalization, then there would never be talk or discussion about the RRT. This would have resulted in the status quo continuing, which results in growing anger amongst the poor towards the haves, i.e. like people on this forum (including myself) and the ANC elite.

I just came from an ABASA event, a leadership dialogue. Joel Net****enzhe, Steven Friedman and Magdalene Moonsamy spoke and were largely honest about issues affecting this country. What comrade Joel said which I said something similar many times on this forum is that it is in the best interest of the wealthy and the middle class to recognize and admit that there is wide spread inequality in this country. To help close the inequality gap by engaging the poor or doing something to help them so they can help themselves (teach them how to fish so they can feed themselves forever scenario). Certainly complaining on forums and to friends/family will do nothing whatsoever to change things in this country.

We are in a situation in this country were whites own 80% of land, nothing really wrong with that at face value. What is dangerous about it is that this fact is that it can easily be used by someone or people to destabilize the country, either now or 50 years from now. This situation is just a bomb, there are a lot of matchsticks lying around and one person can use those matchsticks to light of that bomb. If the element of race is removed, i.e. if blacks own majority of land in this country, then it will be very difficult for the Juliuses of this world to get a following. But if the status quo persists, then it's a gold medal for the Juliuses and the Hitlers of this country. The topic should be how should land be transferred to blacks (without changing the constitution like Lamola has said), not if the Khoi are the original owners of the land or not. Deflecting this debate any further (like the FF+ leader did a few months ago) will make it very easy for the Juliuses of this world, very very very easy.
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How can you say this, they benefit by getting a damn job. Oh I work in the insurance industry for multiple clients. Must ABSA, Standard Bank, Ford, Mazda, Jaguar and many other companies now pay for my car and my insurance? No - because I get a salary. It's idiots like you that are encouraging a culture of black entitlement. Whites must just give, give, give.

There are tons of rich, black people in this country but you're not blaming them for having money; no, they deserve it for their struggle and strife.

Honestly you and everyone else can **** right off. Get a job, work hard and earn your own ****ing money. Tired of everyone standing around wanting policies for handouts from people that have worked hard to earn lots of money. You know who owns just about everything in this country, the government, the BLACK government. Go ask your black homies for stuff, us white people don't have anything for you anymore! FFS
 
IzZzy said:
How can we know what the YL really stands for??
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I would think it should be standing for youth type issues. Education, youth employment subsidy, AIDS/HIV awareness, care for young moms, child rights etc.

Last time I checked, trying to nationalize mines isnt really a youth type topic?
 
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