Article: Eat dairy with caution: Noakes

konfab said:
If you count your calories now, you will still find you are limiting yourself.
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Sigh, you missed the entire point of that post...

And you also do not seem to be able to concede that facts pertaining to me - I didn't count anything, yet lost body fat and didnt feel tired or hungry doing so vs what I tried many a times before on a higher carb diet

Albereth said:
Nope - sounds like you were doing everything right. But people are different and you may have an underlying medical condition.
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But now I see this is because I'm actually ill :rolleyes: My wife, father in law, and 3 colleagues in the office must all have the same condition
 
Albereth said:
Shoddy research done resulted in the 'fat is bad' doctrine that was put out. Or, rather cholesterol is bad.

Seeing that just about every cardiologist etc. was on this bandwagon as well as those who like to make money, was it any wonder that a perfect storm was created. Carbohydrate based food producers had carte blanche to print money on the back of the cholesterol is bad scaremongering and the medical fraternity could avoid being sued if they advocated a diet plan in line with policy and the patient still kicked it.

There is a fair amount of cultural pressure on the whole how we became tubby story. People would have remembered the deprivations of either the depression or the war and the sudden bounty provided by the abundance of corn would have seemed like Christmas every day. And the UK had this weird phenomenon of having snack bars drummed into them.

It's so easy to become addicted - you need food anyway and here is some that doesn't have cholesterol, and you are telling me that I deserve a break? Where is the Kit Kat?
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I work with cardiologists at a public hospital, they are sick of dealing with lifestyle diseases. If there were a magic bullet like LCHF claims it is, they would be the first ones to jump.
 
Archer said:
Sigh, you missed the entire point of that post...

And you also do not seem to be able to concede that facts pertaining to me - I didn't count anything, yet lost body fat and didnt feel tired or hungry doing so vs what I tried many a times before on a higher carb diet



But now I see this is because I'm actually ill :rolleyes: My wife, father in law, and 3 colleagues in the office must all have the same condition
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Why would you say that you are ill? Yes, an illness could be a factor, but it probably comes down to a big bucket labelled health.

Not claiming to be any sort of medical expert, but what if the amount of exercise that you do along with the 'starvation' got your body conditioned to anticipate famine? It knows it is going to work hard but the source of energy is variable so it has coped.

How much stress is a factor in your life?

You can't say that every in the office has the same condition. You may have similar symptoms but not necessarily the same cause.
 
Arietans said:
By who? What for?
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One of the standard responses to the question "why don't more medical scientists and doctors see things Tim Noakes' way" is that doctors are scared to speak out for fear of being sued or disciplined for giving unconventional medical advice.

My point is that this answer is not very convincing as clearly there are some doctors who "speak out" yet don't get sued. Doctors like Tim Noakes and Robert Lustig recommend a low carbohydrate diet and claim that saturated fat is not unhealthy, and they have not been disciplined or sued for this. So there's nothing stopping doctors from "speaking out" if they agree with the low carbohydrate proponents, yet few do. Why?
 
Humberto said:
Why haven't doctors like Tim Noakes and Robert Lustig been sued then?
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Sued by whom? Why would they be?

The comment you quoted is in a specific context to cardiologists and physicians working in hospitals and practices. They have policies in place. If they follow those policies, they don't get sued.

The others are writing books. Why would they be sued?
 
Humberto said:
One of the standard responses to the question "why don't more medical scientists and doctors see things Tim Noakes' way" is that doctors are scared to speak out for fear of being sued or disciplined for giving unconventional medical advice.

My point is that this answer is not very convincing as clearly there are some doctors who "speak out" yet don't get sued. Doctors like Tim Noakes and Robert Lustig recommend a low carbohydrate diet and claim that saturated fat is not unhealthy, and they have not been disciplined or sued for this. So there's nothing stopping doctors from "speaking out" if they agree with the low carbohydrate proponents, yet few do. Why?
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I'm not so sure that Noakes is a medical doctor. I believe that he is a scientist with a field of study very much aligned with human biochemistry.
 
Randhir said:
Sued by whom? Why would they be?

The comment you quoted is in a specific context to cardiologists and physicians working in hospitals and practices. They have policies in place. If they follow those policies, they don't get sued.

The others are writing books. Why would they be sued?
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Precisely, they wouldn't. There's nothing stopping medical scientists from endorsing a high fat diet yet few do. Why?
 
Humberto said:
Precisely, they wouldn't. There's nothing stopping medical scientists from endorsing a high fat diet yet few do. Why?
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Endorsing how? In their practices? That would go against the policies in place and set them up to being sued.
 
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