Article: EFF calling white people boers

I don't own a farm, neither do I do farm work so not a boer. Maybe the EFF should start using respectable terms whatever they might be.
 
ghoti said:
I am not a boer. It is neither culturally or technically appropriate to call me such. The term boer is used to describe Afrikaans people or farmers. I am neither. If some people take pride in being called a boer... like many afrikaans people do... thats great for them. They can run with it. Its not me or my culture.
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Yes - and Brits aren't poms. And it wouldn't be anything to be proud of anyway.

Nobody said you had to be proud of being called a boer - notwithstanding that it would be completely wrong. But don't get upset if you are.
 
ghoti said:
Never heard a xhosa use that word. Only word they use for white people around here is mlungu. Which, I suppose like the word "boer" Can have negative or neutral connotations depending on the context it is used in. In language, context is EVERYTHING.
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100% correct.

The Xhosa relates to themselves as the amaXhosa and the whites as the amaBhulu. Yes, it is context, but the Xhosa word do carry power in meaning, one word can mean many things as per the San language. They did relate with amaBhulu as the Boere.

Looking at this case:

http://www.bccsa.co.za/index.php?op...case-no-01-1997-hate-speech&catid=18&Itemid=2

The complaint concerned the singing of an Umkhonto weSizwe song at a funeral which was used as background archive material to a news item where medals were awarded to President Mandela and Mr Walter Sisulu at the founding meeting of the Umkhonto weSizwe Veteran's Association in December 1996.

The song or anthem included a reference to the killing of the "Ama-Bhulu". There was a difference of opinion as to the meaning of "Ama-Bhulu" in this song. One view is that it refers to the system of Apartheid brought about by the Nationalist Government as from 1948. The song, according to this view, calls for a killing of the system. The other view, which is that of the Complainant, is that the word refers to white Afrikaners as the "Boerevolk" or at least to a section of the white Afrikaners.

The Commission accepted, without deciding the matter, in favour of the Complainant that the word has the latter meaning. However, this does not mean that the song then automatically amounts to an incitement to violence or the advocacy of hatred. The song or anthem was not sung in a strident or provocative manner and the historical context within which it was broadcast, casts the song within a sombre mould. Although the Commission accentuated the right of the public to be informed in an open democracy based on freedom, transparency, information, equality and dignity, it cautioned broadcasters to take care in this sensitive area.

In the present matter, however, the historical context as well as the sombre funeral atmosphere negated any finding of incitement to violence or the advocacy of hatred.The complaint was dismissed.
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Themba Wele knew exactly what he was stating.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
100% correct.

The Xhosa relates to themselves as the amaXhosa and the whites as the amaBhulu. Yes, it is context, but the Xhosa word do carry power in meaning, one word can mean many things as per the San language. They did relate with amaBhulu as the Boere.

Looking at this case:


Themba Wele knew exactly what he was stating.
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Odd that the Xhosa get twitchy about Afrikaans farmers when it was the Brits that stuffed up what was left of those that had run from the Zulus.
 
lcbxx said:
You know what the ironic crux of the matter is here: If no-one reacted negatively to the statement, it would mean nothing. Instead someone decided to take offence/exception on behalf of others and now we have a 100-post thread about it, among other things.
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+1
 
Picard said:
But why is "boer" derogatory.

I don't mind being called one, even if I'm not a farmer.

The only offense that is connected to that word exists only in the some people's minds.
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Some blacks feels the same about the K word and even calls themselves that word and doesn't worry when white people uses the K word. It's all a mind set thing for how bad it is if such a type of word is used. The way the EFF is using the word boer is the way people use the the K word wrongly and that is offensive and bad. So I agree that they should not use the word boer to speak about whites.
 
Sean008 said:
At this rate, these fools will spend most of their time sitting out their working day in the local pub then actually doing any work. Nice clever strategy that !
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They actually did work while in parliament ?! :wtf: WOW
 
Albereth said:
Are you that bothered?
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I would only bothered because it's technically and logically incorrect, and the word is of much more use when it's not used to stereotype.
Also I find the title and topic a bit weird.

"or maybe you share the same blanket with them"
Being kicked out had nothing to do with the sexual reference...
 
When they get kicked out of the House they should forfeit their pay for the day. Taxpayers are paying for these banana republic shenanigans.
 
Albereth said:
Odd that the Xhosa get twitchy about Afrikaans farmers when it was the Brits that stuffed up what was left of those that had run from the Zulus.
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The British Empire did real bad things, but they had more up their sleeve, when you have bargaining power then the past is easily overwritten, still happens today (especially in politics)...
 
All this racism talk when it cant be because only whites are able to be racist.

Yip so "Kill the Boer" means kill the whites.
 
Jola said:
It actually is, in some of the indigenous languages, eg Sotho.

Malema is a Pedi, so no sure about that, but believe it to be the same.
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As a seSotho man, I never knew until today that the use of "boer" is racist, just as I didn't know that the use of "lekula" was racist to Indians. As far as I know those names are not used in a racist way, but I guess they are racist if whites and indians take offence in them.
 
Albereth said:
Yes - and Brits aren't poms. And it wouldn't be anything to be proud of anyway.

Nobody said you had to be proud of being called a boer - notwithstanding that it would be completely wrong. But don't get upset if you are.
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Its just an inaccurate title. Im not upset, its just stupid. It is not the correct title for someone of my culture.

Albereth said:
Odd that the Xhosa get twitchy about Afrikaans farmers when it was the Brits that stuffed up what was left of those that had run from the Zulus.
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Probably has something to do with Apartheid and the National Party still fresh in their memories.
 
Picard said:
Why is it racist? Racism implies some derogatory intention. "Boer" doesn't have that.
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I agree.

ghoti said:
I am not afrikaans or a boer. I dont care if you like it. Its probably your culture. Its not mine. Its like calling a xhosa a zulu.
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This kind of touchiness is part of the problem of people getting offended over every little thing.
 
I think black people have always differentiated between Afrikaners and English, using "leBuru" and "leKgowa" (umlungu) respectively.
 
ghoti said:
Its just an inaccurate title. Im not upset, its just stupid. It is not the correct title for someone of my culture.
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Goodness, if you got upset aout incorrect titles, people leaping to incorrect conclusions, stereotyping, etc how on earth do you face turning on the internet nevermind conversing on this website? :)
 
rza said:
I think black people have always differentiated between Afrikaners and English, using "leBuru" and "leKgowa" (umlungu) respectively.
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Except mlungu is whiteman.

Not all black people are the same, or speak the same language. Just like white people.

It's the yellow ones that all look the same and speak the same :p
 
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