Article: EFF calling white people boers

rza said:
As a seSotho man, I never knew until today that the use of "boer" is racist, just as I didn't know that the use of "lekula" was racist to Indians. As far as I know those names are not used in a racist way, but I guess they are racist if whites and indians take offence in them.
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Don't those words like "lekula" and "leburu" all have a negative connotation ?

This is what I was taught in seSotho classes many years ago, but my memory may be failing me.
 
Picard said:
But why is "boer" derogatory.



I don't mind being called one, even if I'm not a farmer.



The only offense that is connected to that word exists only in the some people's minds.
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They get a special word, so we get a special word. It is all about the context.
 
Jola said:
Don't those words like "lekula" and "leburu" all have a negative connotation ?

This is what I was taught in seSotho classes many years ago, but my memory may be failing me.
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It has since been established when Juju used the "lekula" word that the word is degoratory, but I know that many black people used the word without knowing that Indians took offence to it. I know Sotho people use "leburu" to refer to an Afrikaner, and they use "lekgowa" to refer to an Englishman, but I don't remember hearing the words used to be degoratory.
 
ghoti said:
Probably has something to do with Apartheid and the National Party still fresh in their memories.
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This is the probable correct answer. It was an inhumanly stupid act by the NP, by concluding WW2, to enact apartheid policies against other ethnic groups as which was done by Nazi Germany. Then again, Laws on Land Dispossession and Segregation was initiated in the 1800's by the British Dominion which acted on authority by the British Empire, although the provinces had its own legislation, these laws was authorised and enacted by the King and later by the King, the Senate and Union Assembly House.

The laws had a run-up, http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/list-laws-land-dispossession-and-segregation and many which was introduced by the NP, but the NP on election in 1948 enacted legislation already designed which preceded the then discriminatory legislation enacted under the British and “Boer” governments which was still enacted by the King’s Most Excellent Majesty. Long story short, both the Afrikaners and British peoples are guilty of these apartheid actions.

The Portuguese was here prior Jan van Riebeeck set up castle, personally I think they are glad to have left, knowing the history today. It was the Anglo-Boer War which ultimately brought an end to black independence in South Africa.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
This is the probable correct answer. It was an inhumanly stupid act by the NP, by concluding WW2, to enact apartheid policies against other ethnic groups as which was done by Nazi Germany. Then again, Laws on Land Dispossession and Segregation was initiated in the 1800's by the British Dominion which acted on authority by the British Empire, although the provinces had its own legislation, these laws was authorised and enacted by the King and later by the King, the Senate and Union Assembly House.

The laws had a run-up, http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/list-laws-land-dispossession-and-segregation and many which was introduced by the NP, but the NP on election in 1948 enacted legislation already designed which preceded the then discriminatory legislation enacted under the British and “Boer” governments which was still enacted by the King’s Most Excellent Majesty. Long story short, both the Afrikaners and British peoples are guilty of these apartheid actions.

The Portuguese was here prior Jan van Riebeeck set up castle, personally I think they are glad to have left, knowing the history today. It was the Anglo-Boer War which ultimately brought an end to black independence in South Africa.
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Where on earth did you ever get the notion that the Nazis had apartheid?
 
rza said:
It has since been established when Juju used the "lekula" word that the word is degoratory, but I know that many black people used the word without knowing that Indians took offence to it. I know Sotho people use "leburu" to refer to an Afrikaner, and they use "lekgowa" to refer to an Englishman, but I don't remember hearing the words used to be degoratory.
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Well, "lekula" is exactly the same as calling a person of Indian descent a "c**ly" in English, so yes, it is very offensive.

And "leburu" and "lekgowa" belong to the same disrespectful class of words.

Or so I was taught.
 
Jola said:
Well, "lekula" is exactly the same as calling a person of Indian descent a "c**ly" in English, so yes, it is very offensive.

And "leburu" and "lekgowa" belong to the same disrespectful class of words.

Or so I was taught.
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We have since learnt that "lekula" is very offensive, and I think many people didn't know that it's coming from the english world which is very offensive.

Is "lekgowa" offensive as well? Shoo, so we now have no native word to use to describe white people.
 
Jola said:
Well, "lekula" is exactly the same as calling a person of Indian descent a "c**ly" in English, so yes, it is very offensive.

And "leburu" and "lekgowa" belong to the same disrespectful class of words.

Or so I was taught.
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Is there a respectful class of words? What would you call Afrikaaners that you respected? Or English folk?

Or is it back to context as was suggested earlier?
 
Sometimes you have to create new, less offensive, words.

But my understanding, from my seSotho classes of many years ago, was that these words are from a disrespectful class of words.

Is my memory failing me, am I wrong ? Happy to accept that if this is indeed the case.
 
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rza said:
We have since learnt that "lekula" is very offensive, and I think many people didn't know that it's coming from the english world which is very offensive.

Is "lekgowa" offensive as well? Shoo, so we now have no native word to use to describe white people.
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Really? White person or white people doesn't translate into native languages?

What other words do we have besides black or African to describe black people in English that aren't offensive?
 
....if I create my own word that no one else understands, can it be offensive?

If someone calls you a name that only they understand, why would it be offensive to anyone else?
 
OzzieCapie said:
....if I create my own word that no one else understands, can it be offensive?

If someone calls you a name that only they understand, why would it be offensive to anyone else?
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Yes and no.

But it's that someone takes offense that causes the problems. Disney created a lovely little movie to entertain you while they taught you the real message - Let it go.
 
Albereth said:
It's actually as simple as:

Nats - I'm smarter than you so I'll run the place while you do your own thing over there.

Nazi - I'm better than you, so die.
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In a matter, yes, and so we can continue all over the globe.

It is only that SA is set as the example, being branded with Apartheid, something which people today use to instil power within themselves, ahem looking at the EFF in relation with the topic and the ANC. SA history have also told us that the minorities here will struggle to exceed, taking a look at the ANC elitists, something which the EFF is targeting until they introduce an elitist group within their own ranks, The Rise and The Fall.

What we have is really bad social engineering…
 
Sean008 said:
At this rate, these fools will spend most of their time sitting out their working day in the local pub then actually doing any work. Nice clever strategy that !
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My tax for what :wtf:
 
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