Article: Master athlete euthanised at 95

If I am in a situation that I'm in so much pain, and I've become a burden to others, I'd exit myself. That's for sure.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Already had this discussion with him. He's of the opinion that existence trumps everything, and that an "eternity of hell" is preferable to euthanasia. And to worsen matters he believes people shouldn't be allowed to choose whether or not to endure aforementioned "eternity of hell". So effectively, he's in favour of not only keeping people alive in such horrible torment, but also that those very people shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the matter at all.
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he sounds about like Satan actually - wanting to condemn people to an eternity of hell
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Already had this discussion with him. He's of the opinion that existence trumps everything, and that an "eternity of hell" is preferable to euthanasia. And to worsen matters he believes people shouldn't be allowed to choose whether or not to endure aforementioned "eternity of hell". So effectively, he's in favour of not only keeping people alive in such horrible torment, but also that those very people shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the matter at all.
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Jeez :erm:
 
There was a South African who recently ended his life in Switzerland. Can't think of his name now a doctor who was a paraplegic.
 
Guys, all I was saying is that in my opinion I just don't think life is something that should so easily taken. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I don't like it that the line can become blurred. There's also too many what ifs for me. What if they find a cure tomorrow etc. It's like with the death penalty, and you have an innocent person put to death by wrongly convicting them. While unlikely, it has happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution .

I understand that you are perfectly capable to decide to do what you want with your body, but this is something that there isn't any going back from.

But again, this is only how I feel, please don't make me feel stupid for it or mock me. I'd like to hear the other sides argument.

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I also think this is down to your moral beliefs, which is a really tricky place :p. (and I'm an atheist, so there's no ulterior motives)
 
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copacetic said:
There is no logical comparison to be made between the death penalty and euthanasia by choice.
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Well, I'm looking at it from the point of view that if euthanasia is allowed, then you might have people off themselves when there may actually be an alternative... Much the same way the death penalty allows for innocent people to be put to death when the alternative is life in prison, and they might be allowed to be saved in the future.
 
scotty777 said:
Well, I'm looking at it from the point of view that if euthanasia is allowed, then you might have people off themselves when there may actually be an alternative... Much the same way the death penalty allows for innocent people to be put to death when the alternative is life in prison, and they might be allowed to be saved in the future.
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People off themselves, regardless of whether euthenasia is 'allowed' or not.

People do not get murdered by the death penalty if the death penalty is illegal.

Making it accesible and legal just enables people to go with peace, ease, and dignity.

I mean, let's look at the case this thread exists due to - A 95 year old, terminally ill man. There is no rational way to suggest that he might have had a chance at some sort of reasonable future.

Where's the good in making him suffer unnecessarily?
 
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copacetic said:
People off themselves, regardless of whether euthenasia is 'allowed' or not.

People do not get murdered by the death penalty if the death penalty is illegal.

Making it accesible and legal just enables people to go with peace, ease, and dignity.

I mean, let's look at the case this thread exists dure to - A 95 year old, terminally ill man. There is no rational way to suggest that he might have had a chance at some sort of reasonable future.

Where's the good in making him suffer unnecessarily?
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I agree, people do off themselves. However, would it maybe make people feel entitled to off themselves if it was seen less of a problem. All I'm worried about it that today we see it ok that a 95 year old man says he's had a good run, and commits. Then tomorrow we relax it a little more to all cancer patients, and then it starts to escalate from there.

So I think that it shouldn't really be allowed because there just isn't enough proof to show that it won't be abused, albeit, I might need to read more about the subject as it stands, things might have changed. What if people with chronic pain start opting out, then people with chronic stress. Given enough proof that people aren't full of crap, I might change my views.

Thank you for engaging with me though, I appreciate it.
 
scotty777 said:
I agree, people do off themselves. However, would it maybe make people feel entitled to off themselves if it was seen less of a problem. All I'm worried about it that today we see it ok that a 95 year old man says he's had a good run, and commits. Then tomorrow we relax it a little more to all cancer patients, and then it starts to escalate from there.

So I think that it shouldn't really be allowed because there just isn't enough proof to show that it won't be abused, albeit, I might need to read more about the subject as it stands, things might have changed. What if people with chronic pain start opting out, then people with chronic stress. Given enough proof that people aren't full of crap, I might change my views.

Thank you for engaging with me though, I appreciate it.
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Personal responsibility. As opposed to this annoying modern obsession of infringing on an individual's rights because you feel the need to nanny somebody else who can't be 'trusted' to act in their own best interests.

Have you suffered from a severe debilitating illness? I'm interested to see how many people who oppose euthanasia actually appreciate what they are condemning people too.
 
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Alan said:
There was a South African who recently ended his life in Switzerland. Can't think of his name now a doctor who was a paraplegic.
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I think this was a guy who assisted someone with suicide, and is now in some trouble.
 
scotty777 said:
I agree, people do off themselves. However, would it maybe make people feel entitled to off themselves if it was seen less of a problem. All I'm worried about it that today we see it ok that a 95 year old man says he's had a good run, and commits. Then tomorrow we relax it a little more to all cancer patients, and then it starts to escalate from there.

So I think that it shouldn't really be allowed because there just isn't enough proof to show that it won't be abused, albeit, I might need to read more about the subject as it stands, things might have changed. What if people with chronic pain start opting out, then people with chronic stress. Given enough proof that people aren't full of crap, I might change my views.

Thank you for engaging with me though, I appreciate it.
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But again, I have to ask you -so what? It is none of your business. You might not feel comfortable with others choosing euthanasia, but it is not your decision, irrespective of how uncomfortable it makes you. Imagine how uncomfortable the people you're hypothetically condemning to a life of pain would be. I'm uncomfortable with religion - doesn't mean I go around trying to have it banned, or forcing my convictions on others, legally speaking...
 
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DJ... said:
But again, I have to ask you -so what? It is none of your business. You might not feel comfortable with others choosing euthanasia, but it is not your decision, irrespective of how uncomfortable it makes you. Imagine how uncomfortable the people you're hypothetically condemning to a life of pain would be. I'm uncomfortable with religion - doesn't mean I go around trying to have it banned, or forcing my convictions on others, legally speaking...
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Religion does not destroy all of existence.
 
scotty777 said:
I agree, people do off themselves. However, would it maybe make people feel entitled to off themselves if it was seen less of a problem. All I'm worried about it that today we see it ok that a 95 year old man says he's had a good run, and commits. Then tomorrow we relax it a little more to all cancer patients, and then it starts to escalate from there.

So I think that it shouldn't really be allowed because there just isn't enough proof to show that it won't be abused, albeit, I might need to read more about the subject as it stands, things might have changed. What if people with chronic pain start opting out, then people with chronic stress. Given enough proof that people aren't full of crap, I might change my views.

Thank you for engaging with me though, I appreciate it.
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You think people aren't entitled to off themselves?

Keep in mind it is their life, not yours. By saying to someone that they cannot off themselves should they wish to you are essentially saying that your say over what they do with their own life carries more weight than their say. Do you honestly think this?

For example should my opinion on whether or not you should live or die be considered dominant over your opinion?
 
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