Article: Motorist fined R40,000

nakedpeanut said:
but if every one obeyed the law there would be no need for traffic cops, but then they would be unemployed, and would have to turn to a life of crime, but they can't cause every one obeys the law, hence they starve and die..
Thinking like you might be a good thing.. NOT! We don't live in an ideal world...
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Well then stop moaning about how poor speeders are prejudiced and all this and that are in the wrong. Speed is the most easily measured metric, compared to say faulty lights or other bad drving. SO if you want the police to focus more on whatever other stuff give them less of a target for their revenue generating so that they have to focus on the other places to issue fines. Your speeding is entirely preventable by yourself.

Anyway, I think you need to come visit me in Garsfontein and I'll show you some of the affects speeding on Hans Strydom Road has. The road is decent but thats not the point, accidents still happen and people mess around with others lifes (brain damage, broken limbs, continuous medical problem for rest of life).
 
supersunbird said:
Well then stop moaning about how poor speeders are prejudiced and all this and that are in the wrong. Speed is the most easily measured metric, compared to say faulty lights or other bad drving. SO if you want the police to focus more on whatever other stuff give them less of a target for their revenue generating so that they have to focus on the other places to issue fines. Your speeding is entirely preventable by yourself.

Anyway, I think you need to come visit me in Garsfontein and I'll show you some of the affects speeding on Hans Strydom Road has. The road is decent but thats not the point, accidents still happen and people mess around with others lifes (brain damage, broken limbs, continuous medical problem for rest of life).
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Of course speed kills, I'm not denying it, but so do a hundred other things. The point was that people will always speed, always overtake on a blind rise, try make that gap etc etc... We live in a world where people try push the limits in some way shape or form!

I haven't really looked at all the studies on speed trapping and if it decreases deaths, I really doubt it does, but police officers should focus on all road rules, they are of course all rules and should you break them you should be fined. They should not just focus on one and let the other 99 slide!! A broken tail light or overloading is alot easier to spot than a guy going 130 in a 120 zone.

All those accidents are most likely as a result of negligent driving which can consist of speeding, driving under the influence, talking on the cellphone, putting makeup on etc or any combination of the above.. Not to mention poor driving skills and road conditions: wet, sandy, pot holes.

I just hate people that run around screaming speeding is killing everyone and is to blame for every road accident... BS!!
 
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nakedpeanut said:
Of course speed kills, I'm not denying it, but so do a hundred other things.
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Speed doesn't kill. If it did every F1 driver in the world would be 6ft under by now.

The sudden loss of speed kills you though :D

The speed in isolation is pretty harmless.
 
porchrat said:
Speed doesn't kill. If it did every F1 driver in the world would be 6ft under by now.

The sudden loss of speed kills you though :D

The speed in isolation is pretty harmless.
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lol yes speed does not kill, but the act of speeding can have the consequence of death due to the abrupt stopping that happens in an accident :p
 
SteveO said:
Its those people who have no common sense who are causing fatalities on our roads and not JUST the guys speeding.
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+1 Absolutely, it is very seldom that a crash happens because of only one contributory factor (speeding). Speed is just one hazard and in many cases, there are 2 or more hazard factors from human behavior, vehicle and road environment present simultaneously.

SteveO said:
I am trying to convey that its not these guys speeding at 2 or 3am or on an empty road in the middle of the karoo but rather the unlicenced, unroadworthy vehicles and their irresponsible drivers who cause the massive fatalities on our roads.
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But the percentage of fatalities due to unlicenced, unroadworthy vehicles is relatively small

SteveO said:
Its not me sitting in traffic with everyone else who is going to cause and accident its the idiotic metro bus driver who pulls out into on coming traffic who is going to kill someone.
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Crashes at junctions (approach at angle, turn in front of oncoming vehicles and turn from wrong lane) account for less than 4% of recorded fatalities.
 
Say you're on the N3 at 2pm on a weekday. Clear skies, very light traffic, four lane highway, as straight a road as you have ever seen before, visibility for miles.

Haha, I say have a go...see what she can do.
 
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Gah, I'm growing tired of these "but speed doesn't kill by itself" things.

Yes, it's not the sole cause, accidents are usually caused by a combination of events. Speed is one of the few you can control, and if you're above 140km/h for any significant amount of time, you're definitely not controlling your speed.

No matter how advanced cars have become, simple physics are still in effect, and you're still a fleshbag behind the wheel.
 
nakedpeanut said:
I haven't really looked at all the studies on speed trapping and if it decreases deaths, I really doubt it does, but police officers should focus on all road rules, they are of course all rules and should you break them you should be fined. They should not just focus on one and let the other 99 slide!! A broken tail light or overloading is alot easier to spot than a guy going 130 in a 120 zone.

All those accidents are most likely as a result of negligent driving which can consist of speeding, driving under the influence, talking on the cellphone, putting makeup on etc or any combination of the above.. Not to mention poor driving skills and road conditions: wet, sandy, pot holes.

I just hate people that run around screaming speeding is killing everyone and is to blame for every road accident... BS!!
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From what I have heard on good old Top Gear, in the UK the incidence of road deaths around speed cameras have not changed at all. I havent seen any other studies, however I am sure they exist.

As some of the guys have said, speed is one of many things that influence actions that may end up in an accident, fatal or not.


Look guys, I think we are all agreeing on similar points here. We all understand the dangers etc, but what I am getting at is that we dont need to keep harping on "speed kills". What about all the other factors? These are just as important when it comes to preventing any sort of accident.

If drivers can get the basics right, the risks associated with speed will be greatly reduced.
 
Pyro said:
Gah, I'm growing tired of these "but speed doesn't kill by itself" things.

Yes, it's not the sole cause, accidents are usually caused by a combination of events. Speed is one of the few you can control, and if you're above 140km/h for any significant amount of time, you're definitely not controlling your speed.

No matter how advanced cars have become, simple physics are still in effect, and you're still a fleshbag behind the wheel.
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I disagree. The same physics are not still in effect. The forces are redirected and managed far more effectively than they were in the past. When you change the direction of the force you've changed the physics, or at least the parts of it that you experience. You're somehow trying to imply that us fleshbags are no safer behind the wheel at 140kph than we were decades ago. This is just a flat out lie.
 
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All the accidents I've been in, have been at low speeds less than 60km/h and all were caused by idiots (they paid dearly for the experience)
 
porchrat said:
I disagree. The same physics are not still in effect. The forces are redirected and managed far more effectively than they were in the past. When you change the direction of the force you've changed the physics, or at least the parts of it that you experience. You're somehow trying to imply that us fleshbags are no safer behind the wheel at 140kph than we were decades ago. This is just a flat out lie.
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To clarify. You're still the same brain and bones controlling the car. You aren't magically reacting faster, in fact it would seem driver are now more bored in their techno wonders and distract themselves with various things while driving notably cell phones (and yes, a hand-free system still places a load on your cognitive ability), perhaps chilling listening to a podcast.

You're likely to take up more distance responding than actually braking.

As for the physics, you're still bringing more than a tonne of metal into contact with the road using four pieces of rubber. No matter what wizardry you put into the rest of the car, those four pieces of rubber can only supply a certain amount of force to control the car.

The topic of this thread is also speeding. Even if you manage the forces better, the driver then knows his limits are higher, and thus pushes the car harder placing a false sense of security in the tech gadgets. This reveals the fleshbag limitations when things go wrong, and, if they survive, might also be the first time some drivers find out how those tech gadgets actually work, and how well.
 
The reason why speed is being prosecuted ad nauseum....

Its easy money for the ANC and the government... the motorist is viewed as a convenient ATM for the council/municipality.

If they really cared about speeding, they would do, amongst other things:

- Sentence the offender to a mandatory driving course to teach him to drive better or community service
- Remove or fix all the stupid road designs / signs/ traffic intersections that actually cause the accidents
- Remove the ridiculously low speed limits, most of which were crafted to make money anyway
 
Read my post again.. ridiculously slow as in 40km/h zones... in case it was not obvious that is what I was talking about.
As for driving at over 200km/h. that's just madness. I was referring in general to the practice of speed prosecution.
 
Koosi said:
Read my post again.. ridiculously slow as in 40km/h zones... in case it was not obvious that is what I was talking about.
As for driving at over 200km/h. that's just madness. I was referring in general to the practice of speed prosecution.
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You mean raise the speed limit at all school roads from 40km/h to 60km/h right? Every zone has its own speed limit for a reason (schools, pedestrians, animals on the road etc.) Wait till you have a close encounter when someone runs into the road while you driving over the speed limit then maybe you will have a better understanding of the speed limits in general.
 
Flamebait rejected....

Not talking about school roads, or any kinds of situations where schools, churches, etc are present,....

Oh I see you live outside of JHB so you have no clue what I am talking about.... that explains it!
 
Pyro said:
To clarify. You're still the same brain and bones controlling the car. You aren't magically reacting faster, in fact it would seem driver are now more bored in their techno wonders and distract themselves with various things while driving notably cell phones (and yes, a hand-free system still places a load on your cognitive ability), perhaps chilling listening to a podcast.
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I agree that you aren't reacting faster but it takes fractions of a second for an impulse to travel from your brain to your foot. Our reaction speeds are not great but 140kph is not exactly pushing our limits (obviously we're talking about on a freeway or something not in residential zones). Now 300 or higher there we're probably pushing limits, 140kph... nah.


You're likely to take up more distance responding than actually braking.
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You got any proof?


As for the physics, you're still bringing more than a tonne of metal into contact with the road using four pieces of rubber. No matter what wizardry you put into the rest of the car, those four pieces of rubber can only supply a certain amount of force to control the car.
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So more modern rubber compounds, better tread designs, ABS, traction control and wider tyres than there were in past haven't affected anything at all right? :rolleyes:

Pull the other one buddy. Cars have become far easier to control and far safer in crashes. To deny this is lunacy.

You're trying to dance around admitting that with talk of tyres. Now you'll try to find another part of the car you can point at. You aren't going to find one single piece of a car today that isn't safer or hasn't been improved upon over the last few decades so stop trying.


The topic of this thread is also speeding. Even if you manage the forces better, the driver then knows his limits are higher, and thus pushes the car harder placing a false sense of security in the tech gadgets. This reveals the fleshbag limitations when things go wrong, and, if they survive, might also be the first time some drivers find out how those tech gadgets actually work, and how well.
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Again: You got any proof of that claim?

You're throwing out a lot of statements that I don't see any proof of.
 
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Koosi said:
Not talking about school roads, or any kinds of situations where schools, churches, etc are present,....
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Increase speed limit to 120kmh around churches and help mankind speed up the evolution process.
 
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