Article: Pierre Korkie has been killed

STS said:
Kudos to you, i just don't judge you on a position you don't hold. How often have you been accused for being a racist when it's obvious that you're not? People deserve to be measured on an individual basis, not as a number like us "white people"
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And I am not lying. I do my part ;) I dont however include violence in that part.
3Gee said:
You answered your own question.
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Exactly it doesnt exist
 
marine1 said:
And I am not lying. I do my part ;) I dont however include violence in that part.


Exactly it doesnt exist
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Do I have to spell everything out for you?

IF a crime is committed by a Black South African, does this make all blacks in South Africa criminals?
 
DrYes said:
Powerful stuff and pretty much sums it up.
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[video=youtube;VqmMdPKw378]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqmMdPKw378[/video]

aaaaand...

http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/brigitte-gabriel/

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...iltration-muslim-student-association-was-bust

Intrepid FrontPageMag reporter Mark Tapson didn't quite find what he was looking for when he infiltrated the Muslim Student Association’s annual West Coast conference last month...but, he alleges, that's just more proof of a secret Muslim Brotherhood plot to "radicalize" college students.

Tapson told Janet Mefferd in a radio interview Friday that far from finding anything “radical” or “damning” at the conference, “it was largely very innocuous.” He had high hopes for a workshop called “Islamatics,” for instance, but found that it was just about Islam and American politics. He even took pains to register for the conference under a “variation” of his name, only to be admitted with no questions asked.

But Tapson has a theory about why the MSA’s conference was so “innocuous.” It’s all part of Muslim Brotherhood plan, he tells Mefferd, to capture “the hearts and minds of the young.” This campus organizing and community-building, he says, “radicalizes them and it steers them toward further radicalization down the line.”
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Jirre, that lisp... I could not take him seriously even for a second.

How can one who submits to God be a terrorist? Seriously?
Most atrocities have been done in the name of a God, including Christianity
 
3Gee said:
Do I have to spell everything out for you?
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Please do.

IF a crime is committed by a Black South African, does this make all blacks in South Africa criminals?
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No, but apparently if you're white it does (hence AA/BEE/EE etc.).

You can choose not to be Muslim & even go as far to denounce the ideology of Islam. Yet, if after everything that's happened over the history of Islam, people still choose to remain Muslim, then they are, in my book, as guilty as that guy in the black pyjamas beheading a taxi driver in the dessert.
 
SSung said:
Please do.



No, but apparently if you're white it does (hence AA/BEE/EE etc.).

You can choose not to be Muslim & even go as far to denounce the ideology of Islam. Yet, if after everything that's happened over the history of Islam, people still choose to remain Muslim, then they are, in my book, as guilty as that guy in the black pyjamas beheading a taxi driver in the dessert.
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and there is the logic prize winner....

i've lived with racists, misogynists, bullies and homophobes my whole life, i don't need to start now with those that judge innocent people too

/out
 
STS said:
[video=youtube;VqmMdPKw378]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqmMdPKw378[/video]
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Okay...are you actually watching any of this & does it make sense to you?

Why is he ripping off Ashton Kutcher?

Why is Islam apparently the unluckiest religion in the world...where are the people complaining about Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism...or anything else being hijacked for violent ends?

All the excuses... everything re Islam taken is 'out of context', Christianity is more violent than Islam, Muslim persecution syndrome, 'only a few bad Muslims'...oh dear God, why'd you make me watch this?

This guy is retarded, F^8l<'in annoying...holy s31zz, some warning next time, pls?



Now, in response:

Michael Coren with Aly Salem - Hijacked Islam?

aaaaand...

http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/brigitte-gabriel/

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...iltration-muslim-student-association-was-bust
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Loonwatch? I didn't know you liked birdwatching and/or that Islamic supremacist echo chamber?
 
SSung said:
Now, in response:

Michael Coren with Aly Salem - Hijacked Islam?
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Infidel, he would be stoned in a few Islamic countries.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/aly-salem-lets-talk-about-how-islam-has-been-hijacked-1414365802

Let’s Talk About How Islam Has Been Hijacked
I’m appalled by what is done in the name of my religion. Yet my American friends don’t want to hear it.

By ALY SALEM
Oct. 26, 2014 7:23 p.m. ET

This week a Canadian Muslim gunman went on a rampage in Ottawa, killing a soldier and storming into the Parliament building before he was shot dead. Authorities have since said he had applied for a passport to travel to Syria. Three Muslim schoolgirls from Colorado were intercepted in Germany apparently on their way to Syria, the base for attacks there and in Iraq by the terror group Islamic State, or ISIS. An Aug. 20 article in Newsweek estimated that perhaps twice as many British Muslims are fighting for ISIS as are serving in the British army.

What could possibly inspire young Muslims in the West to abandon their suburban middle-class existence and join a holy war? How could teenagers in Denver or anywhere be lured by a jihadist ideology—or are grisly videos of ISIS beheadings and crucifixions not enough of a deterrent?

What is so compelling about radical Islamism may lie within its founding texts. It is time we acknowledged the powerful influence these texts have had even on ordinary Muslims. The political ideology based on them has already dragged the Middle East back toward the Stone Age.

As a teenager growing up in Egypt in the 1980s, I liked to stroll through Cairo’s outdoor book market, fishing out little gems like an Arabic translation of “War and Peace.” One day I stumbled upon a book that shook everything I believed in.

The book was “In the Shadows of the Quran,” Sayyed Qutb’s magnum opus. The Egyptian writer, who died in 1966, remains arguably the most influential thinker in contemporary Muslim societies. He was the principal theorist of the Muslim Brotherhood and the intellectual impetus behind the Islamist parties it spawned. Qutb’s ardent disciples included Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri of al Qaeda. It is not an exaggeration to say that Qutb is to Islamism what Karl Marx is to communism.

Qutb’s brilliance as a theorist was in how he applied Western-style literary criticism to the Quran to interpret God’s intentions. He concluded that the reason for the Muslim world’s decline were external cultural and political influences that diluted Islam: The culprits included everything from Greek empiricism and liberal democracy to socialism, Persian poetry and Hegelian philosophy. The only path to an Islamic renaissance was to cleanse Muslim societies of these contaminants and restore Islam to its seventh-century purity.

Today, Qutb’s outlook—Islamism—is the dominant political ideology in most Muslim-majority countries, often taking root in vacuums where secular politics have never had space to develop. Polls by the Pew Research Center, such as 2013’s “The World’s Muslims” indicate that in many Muslim countries, the population is overwhelmingly in favor of veiling for women, the death penalty for leaving Islam and stoning as punishment for adultery; rabid anti-Semitism is rampant. The few exceptions to these statistics tend to be countries with a long history of militant secularism (like Turkey), or former communist states (Tajikistan, Bosnia, Albania, etc.) where religion was effectively wiped out of the public sphere. But Islamism is now growing even in those places.

The trend of history is being reversed. In Egypt, for instance, veiling was unheard of 50 years ago and was virtually extinct until the Islamists resurrected the practice in the 1970s. Today an estimated 90% of Egyptian women are veiled. In many other countries the veil—originally a tribal norm not a religious one—is now ubiquitous, as are views on apostasy in countries that were far more progressive 50 years ago.

Many of my fellow Muslims are trying to reform Islam from within. Yet our voices are smothered in the West by Islamist apologists and their well-meaning but unwitting allies on the left. For instance, if you try to draw attention to the stark correlation between the rise of Islamic religiosity and regressive attitudes toward women, you’re labeled an Islamophobe.

In America, other contemporary ideologies are routinely and openly debated in classrooms, newspapers, on talk shows and in living rooms. But Americans make an exception for Islamism. Criticism of the religion—even in abstraction—is conflated with bigotry toward Muslims. There is no public discourse, much less an ideological response, to Islamism, in academia or on Capitol Hill. This trend is creating an intellectual vacuum, where poisonous ideas are allowed to propagate unchecked.

My own experience as a Muslim in New York bears this out. Socially progressive, self-proclaimed liberals, who would denounce even the slightest injustice committed against women or minorities in America, are appalled when I express a similar criticism about my own community.

Compare the collective response after each harrowing high-school shooting in America. Intellectuals and public figures look for the root cause of the violence and ask: Why? Yet when I ask why after every terrorist attack, the disapproval I get from my non-Muslim peers is visceral: The majority of Muslims are not violent, they insist, the jihadists are a minority who don’t represent Islam, and I am fear-mongering by even wondering aloud.

This is delusional thinking. Even as the world witnesses the barbarity of beheadings, habitual stoning and severe subjugation of women and minorities in the Muslim world, politicians and academics lecture that Islam is a “religion of peace.” Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia routinely beheads women for sorcery and witchcraft.

In the U.S., we Muslims are handled like exotic flowers that will crumble if our faith is criticized—even if we do it ourselves. Meanwhile, Republicans and Democrats alike would apparently prefer to drop bombs in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and beyond, because killing Muslims is somehow less offensive than criticizing their religion? Unfortunately, you can’t kill an idea with a bomb, and so Islamism will continue to propagate. Muslims must tolerate civilized public debate of the texts and scripture that inform Islamism. To demand any less of us is to engage in the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Mr. Salem is an Egyptian writer based in New York.
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SSung said:
Please do.



No, but apparently if you're white it does (hence AA/BEE/EE etc.).

You can choose not to be Muslim & even go as far to denounce the ideology of Islam. Yet, if after everything that's happened over the history of Islam, people still choose to remain Muslim, then they are, in my book, as guilty as that guy in the black pyjamas beheading a taxi driver in the dessert.
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There you have it. All you want is for all Muslims for turn away from their faith, that is the only thing that will quell your hate. And despite every effort that is being made right on this very thread to interact and educate about what Muslims actually feel on these topics, you will hear none of it. But I am afraid that I for one will not do so just to make one misinformed bloke on an internet forum happy. Neither should any "guy in black pyjamas". No Muslim here is forcing you to reject your own beliefs, so why do you persist with wanting us to to that for you?
 
nabeeltootla said:
There you have it. All you want is for all Muslims for turn away from their faith, that is the only thing that will quell your hate. And despite every effort that is being made right on this very thread to interact and educate about what Muslims actually feel on these topics, you will hear none of it. But I am afraid that I for one will not do so just to make one misinformed bloke on an internet forum happy. Neither should any "guy in black pyjamas". No Muslim here is forcing you to reject your own beliefs, so why do you persist with wanting us to to that for you?
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and all he does is alienate more muslims and make them angry/sad, and perhaps even sympathise with those he condemns, because hey, if he is degrading YOU and he is wrong, what else could he be wrong about?
 
STS said:
and all he does is alienate more muslims and make them angry/sad, and perhaps even sympathise with those he condemns, because hey, if he is degrading YOU and he is wrong, what else could he be wrong about?
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Not just Muslims. Any civilized & ethical person would be appalled by his views.
 
I will agree that not all Muslims are terrorists.

You get extremists in all religions (maybe not Buddhism :p), but the fact of the matter is, with NO religion, what do people have to fight for? To kill for? To abuse for?

The religious people can say whatever they want...all religions are based on bull**** propaganda to control people.
 
Method said:
I will agree that not all Muslims are terrorists.

You get extremists in all religions (maybe not Buddhism :p), but the fact of the matter is, with NO religion, what do people have to fight for? To kill for? To abuse for?

The religious people can say whatever they want...all religions are based on bull**** propaganda to control people.
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http://religiondispatches.org/monks-with-guns-discovering-buddhist-violence/

:p

but you are right, however remember people can find any reason to be violent. a lot of school shootings are not related to religion but rather bullying/identity issues/mental issues, and many religious issues can be narrowed down to these 3 issues too, just with superstition thrown in
 
Method said:
I will agree that not all Muslims are terrorists.

You get extremists in all religions (maybe not Buddhism :p), but the fact of the matter is, with NO religion, what do people have to fight for? To kill for? To abuse for?

The religious people can say whatever they want...all religions are based on bull**** propaganda to control people.
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Yeah, about that...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/w...s-wary-of-muslim-minority.html?pagewanted=all

http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/

:p
 
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