Article: Race matters: DA

[JStrike]

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Leaving election short-sighted moves, there are some changes in the society, leaders seem to not recognise:
As white people has abandoned appartheid rules, it must happen something similiar. If it is true that black people are not inferior to whites or coloured, so why the "born free" constantly need peferencial system to stay competetive on the market? I think nobody feels comfortable with racist preferential system and it will be rejected by the people who benefit from it.

A born-free that is black does not have the same advantages as a born-free that is white. Poverty has a race in SA.
BEE and EE help give some advantage to those that do not have those advantages

 

[sajunky]

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[Alan]

True. And as Zille said yesterday, for those that don't like it, there are many other political parties

Like the DP. Oh yes it was taken over ironically by the same crowd who abandoned the ANC when their party was taken over first by Mbeki's crowd and now Zuma's goons . Suppose the moderates abandoning the DA now should do the same to some other party lol.

Domino effect

 

[sajunky]

I think that is naive/short sighted comment to make. You underestimate human greed and self entitlement.

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True when applied to leaders, not true when applied to ordinary people.
My comment was naive, but supported by history and personal experience. Like white peopple abandoned their benefits in South Africa (some say not completely voluntary), there is another example from communist Russia and Eastern Block of countries, home of lies. In these countries workers class was the the most determined to stop with lies, manipulation and enslavery. Workers class was the most beneficial from the system and finally put this system down..

 

[XennoX]

In these countries workers class was the the most determined to stop with lies, manipulation and enslavery. Workers class was the most beneficial from the system and finally put this system down..

Yes, because they were tired of the bull**** and the oppression - if you want to call it that. I can only hope the same thing happens next year. Hopefully the ANC gets pushed out of its seat of power.

With regards to my previous comment, its not just leaders that are greedy and are self entitled. A prime example is to look at the drivers on our roads. How many couldn't give a flying **** about you or another person on the road? That's self entitlement right there as they feel they have a right to be doing what they're doing on the roads and **** everybody else.

 

[sajunky]

Yes, because they were tired of the bull**** and the oppression - if you want to call it that. I can only hope the same thing happens next year. Hopefully the ANC gets pushed out of its seat of power.

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Not sure, as DA is missing historical opportunity in result of current move. There is no other political movement strong enough to replace ANC at the moment. However I think situation is similiar, as people are tired enough in South Africa. Extremely dangerous situation. The only way to ensure peace and stability is to give up benefits.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

the official oppo-same (ANC-Lite)
Sorry DA, you have lost my vote.
Unfortunately, I still have no idea what you party stands for and against,
Farewell and thank you for advancing opposition politics thus far.
It's time to vote with my head and not my heart.

Well articulated and I have to agree 100% with your comment .....

 

[2026]

A born-free that is black does not have the same advantages as a born-free that is white. Poverty has a race in SA.
BEE and EE help give some advantage to those that do not have those advantages

I can name many black children that have better "advantages" than most white children.

 

[JStrike]

I can name many black children that have better "advantages" than most white children.

Just because there are exceptions to the rule, it doesn't change the fact that poverty has a race in SA

 

[Fulcrum29]

I can name many black children that have better "advantages" than most white children.

He should actually indicate this in percentage (advantaged) per/vs. population size, taking in regard all ethnic groups. Then taking it in detail and measure it with demographics vs. geographies. This result will indicate the poverty groups.

 

[Mila]

Just because there are exceptions to the rule, it doesn't change the fact that poverty has a race in SA

:wtf:

So only >what colour you think it is< people are poor. You should get out a bit more.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

:wtf:

So only >what colour you think it is< people are poor. You should get out a bit more.

No. His point is valid. Just because you get black BEE-billionaires and black politician's children who have every opportunity doesn't mean the majority of black people aren't still bearing the brunt of poverty, inequality and unemployment. The issue is the government is failing dismally at addressing it, and keeps placing blame in the wrong areas.

 

[Alan]

Just because there are exceptions to the rule, it doesn't change the fact that poverty has a race in SA

Still doesn't justify discriminating against them. Even if they are just whiteys

 

[JStrike]

:wtf:

So only >what colour you think it is< people are poor. You should get out a bit more.

No, I did not say that. Why are you trying to imply I did?
What I am saying, it that if you look at those in poverty, there is almost a direct correlation to race.

 

[JStrike]

Still doesn't justify discriminating against them. Even if they are just whiteys

If it fixes our society, then it most certainly does

 

[Alan]

If it fixes our society, then it most certainly does

if you define people by the colour of their skin like a Nat who also resorted to discrimination to 'fix society'

 

[JStrike]

if you define people by the colour of their skin like a Nat who also resorted to discrimination to 'fix society'

The Nats were fixing societal ills as well?. Oh really, do tell me more

 

[Alan]

The Nats were fixing societal ills as well?. Oh really, do tell me more

Indeed in their minds they were. Like you they judged people primarily on the colour off their skin and deemed it their right to manipulate and discriminate against them to create their idea of how society should be.

 

[JStrike]

Indeed in their minds they were. Like you they judged people primarily on the colour off their skin and deemed it their right to manipulate and discriminate against them to create their idea of how society should be.

No. Just No.
They were trying to subjugate a race to better the lives of another race. That is not at all relatable to AA or BEE. The only similarity is that they both use race as an identifying factor.

 

[Alan]

No. Just No.
They were trying to subjugate a race to better the lives of another race. That is not at all relatable to AA or BEE. The only similarity is that they both use race as an identifying factor.

Which is exactly what you're advocating on a individual bases. Where a black man gets the promotion at the expense of a white man because of the colour of his skin. Nats thought it in the best interests of society to separate people and abused it to their own advantage just like AA/BEE is abused today.

As you just admitted yourself judging people on the basis of their race. You think you're justified like Nats thought they were justified....