Article: "We will take land": Malema

Yes poephol Malema.. come try and take my land, I will cut off your ****ing balls
 
DJ... said:
Not all land is arable...
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But they don't want to farm it anyway ;)

But seriously you can use non-arable land for game farming. If I was given a choice I would go the game farming route as opposed to farming cattle or crops.
 
oober said:
Won't be Malama it will be the masses that he incites, he himself won't lift a finger.
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Agreed, agitators are planted to incite crowd gatherings, we have seen it before in all walks of life, except he is in a different league, an agitator with below average intellect who believes what he is saying who fits the profile of a psychopath, like Goebbels.
It is difficult to fathom people like this, there is usually a hidden agenda, but they need crowd support to further this agenda.

Find out what the agenda is and pull the plug.
 
I am involved with land redistribution from the private industry with Government, for a few years now. Willing buyer/Willing seller has been working. Yes there have been delays on part of transfers etc, but it has worked. The government buys the land and the farmer takes his settlement. However, once payment has taken place, that's when the troubles start!

Firstly, there is in-fighting amongst the new owners (Trust / CPA). Everyone has their own agenda, and expectations. What Government doesn't do, is help bridge these indifferences. Their job is done. They have restored the land, and then move off. Sometimes, if the new beneficiaries are lucky enough, they will get a post settlement grant to kickstart the farm, but mostly they don't get anything. So these new owners have no money, very little skill, and are left to fend for themselves. Ultimately what ensues, is the farm fails, and those who see this first, make off with whatever value there is. Truly, this i not the fault of the farmer nor the beneficiaries, but government, as they simply abandon these people. What generally follows on from this, is a few years later (as we are seeing now) the people are unhappy because it's all gone wrong, and then other people dispute the transfers and so the whole process starts again.!. Very sad indeed. Currently, we sit with a 30% success rate of all farm redistributions.

Malema, catch a wake up and see who stuck it to the people!!!
 
Thanks for that input Wasp.

The only way the redistribution will work is if there is a post transfer partnership between farmer and new entrant, a sort of business arrangement where we will buy your farm, but you need to be there for 1 or 2 years to oversee the transfer. It happens in the Corporate world all the time.
 
BTTB said:
Thanks for that input Wasp.

The only way the redistribution will work is if there is a post transfer partnership between farmer and new entrant, a sort of business arrangement where we will buy your farm, but you need to be there for 1 or 2 years to oversee the transfer. It happens in the Corporate world all the time.
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Could you imagine Malema's response to that idea? He'd hop on his soapbox once again to proclaim that the whiteys are benefiting even after the farms are transferred. He'd play it up as an insult to black farm owners. It's a no-win situation when such an extremist is afforded as much airtime and influence as Malema has been...
 
Yes, the only solution to JM is that the ANC should discipline him - which they have already shown that they will not do !
 
Sly21C said:
Malema's suggestion is too radical. The ANC must move now and accelerate the land issue before Malema uses it to gain popularity in the ANC mother body and in turn become SA president. 5% land distributed to blacks instead of 30% is lousy, the ANC have failed dismally. It's not only about land redistribution but also about developing the skills to farm those lands, and that's not happening. I blame the ANC and to a lesser extent the farmers. Even though the farmers are feeding the nation, they must realize that holding on to land and not willing to sell to the government now (because we are still in the willing seller willing buyer policy) will result in social unrest. Land will be taken from them forcefully later in future if they don't sell it to government now, and also provide skills to black farmers. Some of the farms that have been sold to blacks have stopped being productive, that's because of the skills issue which the ANC and farmers must resolve.
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The majority of the land taken from farmers that were once productive are now useless! Can you imagine what will happen to our food supply if 30% of productive lands became useless ? Food prices will be very high and the poor ANC supporters will suffer the most.
 
BTTB said:
Thanks for that input Wasp.

The only way the redistribution will work is if there is a post transfer partnership between farmer and new entrant, a sort of business arrangement where we will buy your farm, but you need to be there for 1 or 2 years to oversee the transfer. It happens in the Corporate world all the time.
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Here is my simple solution...
Firstly, we need a law to place a cap on the size of private farms and to allow for the expropriation of excess and unused land. This land should then be owned by government (Department of Agriculture and Land Affairs)
Before acquiring land, any participant needs to apply for a temporary deed from Government. The applicant needs to demonstrate economic need and willingness to work an assigned plot of land. With this deed,
an applicant can occupy a plot and receive preferential consideration from the public financial institutions (Land Bank) for a low interest loan to work the land. This title can be made to expire after a period of 5 - 10 years. Upon an appraisal on the farm the deed can be made permanent or can be revoked and made available to further applicants.
 
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The solution in my opinion is to potentially have the farmers available on an agreed consulting fee basis as and when absolutely necessary, however this should not be the first and only solution. The DTI and BMF could easily form a fund, together with a skills development programme. Prior to a farm being transferred, the new owner must go through a course introducing business, finance, marketing, supply chain management etc all within the context of farming. He then pays back this cost of these ongoing courses once his farm turns a profit. He can be allocated a "mentor" through the BMF who will oversee his progress and provide support channels as and when needed, without having to resort to keeping the ex-farmer on board for an unnecessarily extended period of time.

This solution boosts skills, is a true black economic empowerment venture, will result in better turnarounds and smoother transitions. It is also very cost-effective as all financial costs are repaid over a pre-dertermined period of time. The coalition between the DTI and BMF can set reasonable targets - if these targets are repeatedly not met and all resources have been exhausted, then the farm must be sold and the capital paid out to the farmer/group who took control.

The coalition group should retain ownership of the farm and only transfer it to an individual/group once consecutive targets are met. This is imo a very fair way of land redistribution...
 
The Democratic Alliance (DA) welcomes the action taken by the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform to investigate the Land Reform purchase of farms in the Elandslaagte district near Ladysmith, KZN where allegations of fraud have been made against officials and other persons involved in the purchase of land for land reform purposes. This action is the result of months of investigation by the DA which was last night aired on Carte Blanche.

It is believed that, as a result of the DA investigation, persons connected to the Ladysmith office have confessed that they were also involved in Land Reform projects where members of their own families were registered as "ghost beneficiaries" for purposes of the purchase of farms for land reform.

These allegations come at a time when the budget for the current year for land reform and purchases was completely depleted a mere 3 months into the year. Despite there being many land reform land deals signed, as well as other willing seller deals being available, the State has not been able to purchase these genuine land reform farms as a result of the lack of funds. Many of these farms are now no longer available and will not contribute towards the urgently required process of Land Reform in post Apartheid South Africa.

In the land deal under investigation some R 36,0 mil was spent to purchase about 3 700 ha apparently for a mere 3 genuine "Land Claimants" who in any event were not aware that they were beneficiaries. The new "legal" owners of the farms, a company known as ABRINA 6822 (PTY) LTD, is controlled by a husband and wife who are part of a Ladysmith business family. Despite the husband having a criminal conviction and thus precluded by law from being a director of a company, he was listed as director of ABRINA 6822 (PTY) LTD. Attempts were made by these directors to move the genuine "Land Claimants" off the main farms and onto a small farm which is removed from the main farms.

Included in this deal is a luxurious farmhouse which was left fully furnished, including content which appear to be Persian carpets, linen, etc, by the previous owner. Whilst this was reported to be a "going concern" deal there seems to be no justification for the deal to include the furnishings and other contents of the house.

The management of the farms as a "going concern" was allegedly awarded to a member of the family of the directors of the company which owns the farms. This person allegedly has had no farming experience for the past 30 years and is apparently engaged full-time in running his own extensive business activities both in and outside of Ladysmith. An existing and experienced Farm Manager was allegedly dismissed by the new "owner" and cattle have been sold off with no apparent accounting for the funds, estimated to be in the region of R 500 000,00, received from these sales. The livestock have allegedly been poorly managed and not only have lost condition and value but many have experienced agonising deaths lasting days and weeks. (photos available).
The same business family is also allegedly involved in another separate Land Reform project whereby a farm, known as "Lower Arcadia", of approximately 400 ha was purchased for a sum of R 7,5 mil and is seemingly now controlled by a member of this family of business people. Here again there are rumours that "ghost beneficiaries" were involved.

Further rumours are now emerging that a "Land Reform" deal involving the purchase of a game farm, also in the Ladysmith district, at a cost to the taxpayer of some R 800,0 mil may also be part of the "land scams" within the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform. A person connected to this "deal" allegedly has close connections to the KZN Premier, Zweli Mkhize, and questions are being asked about the possible involvement of the KZN Premier in this "Land Reform" deal.

The ANC has repeatedly and publicly stated that it's going to deal swiftly and without favour with fraud and corruption. The DA therefore calls upon the Minister to immediately commission a forensic audit of all Land Reform projects undertaken both by the Ladysmith office as well as throughout KZN. The DA will also write to SARS to conduct a full Lifestyle and Asset audit of all officials, members of their families and other persons connected to these "Land Reform" deals
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http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=8086
 
Even if the new farmers manage to farm well, Wouldn`t the blatant disregard for private ownership result in superinflation?
 
Jabberwocky said:
Even if the new farmers manage to farm well, Wouldn`t the blatant disregard for private ownership result in superinflation?
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How so ? If the new farmers are able to produce at the same level then I see no problem. The main cause of super inflation is the imbalance between the supply of money and the
supply of goods/services which results in the devaluing of the currency.
 
JungleBoy said:
Here is my simple solution...
Firstly, we need a law to place a cap on the size of private farms
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Woah. Why?

Why would you limit someone's ability to prosper in their chosen field of work?

Want to put a limit on the size of all businesses now?

and to allow for the expropriation of excess and unused land.
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Again why? If someone isn't using the land at the moment why should someone be forced to part with it through law?

The rest actually wasn't too bad an idea but those first 2 points I disagree with.
 
porchrat said:
Woah. Why?

Why would you limit someone's ability to prosper in their chosen field of work?

Want to put a limit on the size of all businesses now?


Again why? If someone isn't using the land at the moment why should someone be forced to part with it through law?

The rest actually wasn't too bad an idea but those first 2 points I disagree with.
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I agree. Farms are businesses too and there is no way anyone should be limited in terms of their production or growth.
 
The first thing that needs to happen is that the government shows some will to solve the problems they are creating.

And while individuals in government are benefiting as is reported that they are, this is unlikely to happen.
 
LEts take the amount of people.
Minus the current parks and mines and state owned property. Devide the country into equal parts and give everybody a piece. Your problem if you have 20 kids and have to devide your land. your problem if you starve or do not have water.
 
JungleBoy said:
How so ? If the new farmers are able to produce at the same level then I see no problem. The main cause of super inflation is the imbalance between the supply of money and the
supply of goods/services which results in the devaluing of the currency.
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I wouldn`t trust a currency, if a huge portion of that currency represents fixed assets that is suddenly not worth anything because the government doesn`t respect property rights. Not to mention the loss of revenue from taxes, and banks failing because all the mortgages are with s*** . Oh... yeah... govt will own the banks, so they can`t fail :P
 
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