As Shot?

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I see the term being thrown around quite a bit and it got me thinking. What is "As shot" when you shoot digital?

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Here I've stripped away all the adjustments aperture makes on import. No colour adjustment, no noise reduction, no moire, no radius, no sharpening.

The was I see it whether I do these adjustments myself on the PC or have the camera do them for me during the JPG conversion there is little difference.

Of course if you want something "As Shot" there's always film where anything you do before the light hits the negative is probably fair game - but in the meantime I'll produce my images as I intended them. :)

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What do you consider "As shot" to mean?
 
ldmelsa said:
As shot means I did not clean the cats teeth in Photoshop.
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Fair enough then.

EDIT - just to clarify then your ok calling pretty much anything "as shot"?
 
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I would say "as shot" is the RAW data that the camera captures, but many clubs globally "as shot" means you can have levels, curves, saturation adjustments taken as one would have done in film development.

If you overstep that line it becomes digital manipulation.

...if this is what you meant by the question. :-/
 
At our club we sometimes have a 20 shots where we are required to shoot 20 subjects in the space of an hour. Our images are then judged "Straight Out Of Camera" (SOOC). The idea here is to get good composition and exposure (and of course an interesting interpretation of the subject).

From a technical point of view you can't say no post is allowed, because that is exactly what the camera does to the RAW to save as JPEG and what the RAW image viewer will do on screen. You can use Picture Styles (on Canon) to adjust contrast/saturation etc.

For me "As Shot" would mean a minimal variance in parameters when applied by default to RAW (in camera or out) and no-cropping. This means however that if you could take exactly the same shot with two different cameras, or use two different RAW viewers (eg Faststone vs LightRoom) you will get two different images in respect to brightness/contrast/blackpoint/whitepoint/whitebalance/saturation/clarity/vibrance parameters.
 
SubliminalThought said:
For me "As Shot" would mean a minimal variance in parameters when applied by default to RAW (in camera or out) and no-cropping. This means however that if you could take exactly the same shot with two different cameras, or use two different RAW viewers (eg Faststone vs LightRoom) you will get two different images in respect to brightness/contrast/blackpoint/whitepoint/whitebalance/saturation/clarity/vibrance parameters.
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Do you consider there to be significant difference between zooming in optically rather than digitally?
 
bwana said:
EDIT - just to clarify then your ok calling pretty much anything "as shot"?
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Pretty much, but for my shots it means "jpg from the camera". Distortion, horizon, cropping, saving for web are all allowed. If I upload the original to Picasa Web Albums, I'll say "camera original".
Whoops! Brain fart!

I said brain fart, not Brian fart.
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Devill said:
After your finger comes of the button it is as shot. No cropping no brightening no noise reduction ... nothing.
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OK - but as soon as the data leaves the sensor the camera applies much of the changes you mention - as per your instructions. So whats the difference between the camera doing it and the computer doing it?
 
bwana said:
Do you consider there to be significant difference between zooming in optically rather than digitally?
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Between the technical no. Between the process yes...

Digital/Optical zoom on camera is applied as follows: Zoom and Compose then press shutter. I know on a technical level for digital zoom the camera takes the larger image anyway then applies a crop to that of the composition.

Digital Cropping on the other hand is as follows: Press shutter - Zoom and recompose using digital zoom.

The fact is that its the composition takes place before pressing the shutter (shooting) ... hence it is as shot.
 
bwana said:
OK - but as soon as the data leaves the sensor the camera applies much of the changes you mention - as per your instructions. So whats the difference between the camera doing it and the computer doing it?
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IMO if you can not "crop" the shot when you take it or get the colouring right or the angle, noise etc etc then it has been changed and it is not as shot.

I set my cam up so it takes a nice sunset photo, if I over expose it it is as shot, if I then shop it to look better it is not imo "as shot" anymore.

To me its just the skill of knowing what is going to make a great shot vs the easy way of shopping a shot afterwards. It loses some of the magic in my eyes...

But thats just me.
 
bwana said:
OK - but as soon as the data leaves the sensor the camera applies much of the changes you mention - as per your instructions. So whats the difference between the camera doing it and the computer doing it?
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I would assume it takes more skill to get a shot correct "As Shot" as opposed to fixing your mistakes on a machine.

Thus the "As Shot" means the person got the lighting, setting on the camera everything 100% spot on and didn't need to have it "Fixed" on a machine?
 
I think that while technically there is no difference as to what is done to a raw file after data leaves the sensor by either the camera or computer the difference in "as shot" is about how the process is done.

As shot implies that the adjustments to be applied are configured before taking the picture. As opposed to the computer where the adjustments are configured after the picture was taken. In both cases technically the adjustments are applied after the picture was taken.
 
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