ATI Stream Technology with 8.12 Driver unlocked !

If you see no improvement(give for take 5 min) then I will send out a formal apology

Not gonna happen that easy. Needs to be a controlled test, Depending on what we are testing.

If we want to check for physx performance:
2 systems, one AMD, one Intel. 3DMark test run on both using a HD4800 with driver 8.11, results normalized. Then run again on the new 8.12 STREAM drivers. Results normalized again and compared.

If we want to check for transcoding performance:
2 systems, one AMD, one Intel. For our baseline we run an encoding test using a normal encoder on both using a HD4800 with driver 8.11, timed results normalized. Then we run using the ATI STREAM encoder on both (if it even runs on non 8.12 cards) using a HD4800 with driver 8.11, timed results normalized. Then run again on the new 8.12 STREAM drivers. Timed results normalized again and compared.

CPU will not make much of a difference once normalized imo. Quite logical too based on the years of "experience" I've had with ATI. :p

Edit:
I have to add this, http://ati.amd.com/technology/streamcomputing/resources.html

I've almost read the lot there, and till date the only thing they worry about is that you have a R6xx GPU at least with driver 7.11 or later to run the tests & example code & apps available there. AMD Stream Computing is not an AMD CPU exclusive feature. It is an AMD GPU Exclusive feature.
 
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@amaedit: wow I think you're getting ahead of yourself here... You need to understand what GPGPU is first before you go into Stream, Cuda performance boosts etc...
GPGPU us as the acronym suggests "General processing on GPU". This can come in any way shape of form, but it relies primarily on a supporting API (DirectX10+/ OpenGL3.0+ or another one which I may not be aware off) and the underlying hardware being capable of some simple or rather basic arithmetic functions that older graphics hardware (DX9 class etc...) did not have.

DX10 class GPUs are massively parallel even the lowly ones with 32 stream processors and such. They are going to be better at some simplistic calculations than a CPU running at a much higher clock speed but one that can only process 2 or 4 instructions a cycle. These tasks are obviously graphics, physics, video transcoding and other repetitive tasks that need parallelism to get to a desired result than any thing else...

E.g
compare a quad core CPU at 2000MHZ and a 32 stream GPU at 500MHZ.
Assume we have a "simple" mul+add instruction to perform. This instruction take one cycle to complete. The CPU can do 2 Billion of these instructions every second in a perfect scenario in single thread mode. when using all 4 cores this number could be 8 billion. Now the GPU can only ever perform 500 million of these calculations in single thread mode (use one stream processor). However, since you have 32 streams this number goes up by a factor of 32 which means the GPU can do 16 Billion of these calculations per second. The GPU is then twice as fast.

ATI Radeon Graphics Cards Running Nvidia PhysX Are Faster, Stronger, Awesomer
gizmodo link you provided says nothing about NVIDIA but states that a 3DMark Vantage score increased on an HD3800 based card when using hardware physics.The only NVIDIA mention in the article, and I quote , "Nvidia's efforts to spread the love to graphics cards "

ATI shows off PhysX architecture
you then link to an article written in June 2006 comparing Havok physics on RV530 and G7X based cards... GPGPU was not available at the time on any desktop platform... Hardware accelerated Physics has not been available since then. Comparing a custom implementation of Havock physics on ATI hardware by ATI employees to what the G7X card can do is meaningless... the article you link says later on
But these figures were provided by ATI, and were not independently verified.As no games run across Havok and PhysX right now, any numbers appear to be theoretical.

Then in the video link you provided, you can clearly see the demo say "Software", believe it or not you can run that demo on just about any graphics card, even on Geforce 7 cards... Since it's software its running on the host CPU....

So in closing what exactly are you saying?
(BTW stream much like CUDA is GPGPU solution. It doesn't boost AMD CPUs it takes away the work load from the host CPU regardless of it being Intel or AMD, the first truly joint effort by engineers and designers of both ATI and AMD will be Fusion in 2010)
 
@amaedit: wow I think you're getting ahead of yourself here... You need to understand what GPGPU is first before you go into Stream, Cuda performance boosts etc...
GPGPU us as the acronym suggests "General processing on GPU". This can come in any way shape of form, but it relies primarily on a supporting API (DirectX10+/ OpenGL3.0+ or another one which I may not be aware off) and the underlying hardware being capable of some simple or rather basic arithmetic functions that older graphics hardware (DX9 class etc...) did not have.

DX10 class GPUs are massively parallel even the lowly ones with 32 stream processors and such. They are going to be better at some simplistic calculations than a CPU running at a much higher clock speed but one that can only process 2 or 4 instructions a cycle. These tasks are obviously graphics, physics, video transcoding and other repetitive tasks that need parallelism to get to a desired result than any thing else...

E.g
compare a quad core CPU at 2000MHZ and a 32 stream GPU at 500MHZ.
Assume we have a "simple" mul+add instruction to perform. This instruction take one cycle to complete. The CPU can do 2 Billion of these instructions every second in a perfect scenario in single thread mode. when using all 4 cores this number could be 8 billion. Now the GPU can only ever perform 500 million of these calculations in single thread mode (use one stream processor). However, since you have 32 streams this number goes up by a factor of 32 which means the GPU can do 16 Billion of these calculations per second. The GPU is then twice as fast.

gizmodo link you provided says nothing about NVIDIA but states that a 3DMark Vantage score increased on an HD3800 based card when using hardware physics.The only NVIDIA mention in the article, and I quote , "Nvidia's efforts to spread the love to graphics cards "

you then link to an article written in June 2006 comparing Havok physics on RV530 and G7X based cards... GPGPU was not available at the time on any desktop platform... Hardware accelerated Physics has not been available since then. Comparing a custom implementation of Havock physics on ATI hardware by ATI employees to what the G7X card can do is meaningless... the article you link says later on

Then in the video link you provided, you can clearly see the demo say "Software", believe it or not you can run that demo on just about any graphics card, even on Geforce 7 cards... Since it's software its running on the host CPU....

So in closing what exactly are you saying?
(BTW stream much like CUDA is GPGPU solution. It doesn't boost AMD CPUs it takes away the work load from the host CPU regardless of it being Intel or AMD, the first truly joint effort by engineers and designers of both ATI and AMD will be Fusion in 2010)


hmmm... shock, maybe you should have thrown some lube at the guy 1st, because that was one hell of an a$$ raping
 
hmmm... shock, maybe you should have thrown some lube at the guy 1st, because that was one hell of an a$$ raping

Don't say that....You said ass and lube in the same sentence!!...Pooky will have a new stalking target I see:sick::sick:
 
I am not going to bother reading this thread cause it looks like another Nvidia VS ATI thing.

People, really, we do not need such threads, AMD is the best and they own ATI. So there you have. ATI is the best.
 
Rouxenator you going to make more problems for this thread haha i only now understand thanks to ShockG more arguing isn't going to help this thread we should get it closed lol
 
I am not going to bother reading this thread cause it looks like another Nvidia VS ATI thing.

It ain't another ATI vs NVIDIA thread... read it and you will understand.

People, really, we do not need such threads, AMD is the best and they own ATI. So there you have. ATI is the best.

Stop trolling.

This thread is about ATI STREAM Processing. Then the facts got mixed up ... we just fixed it. Took some time, but ok.
 
Shock we need you to proceed with a$$ raping rouxenator, he clearly got excited earlier and is asking for some.
 
No way ATI would make it cpu manufacturer dependant as they would then lose all the possible Intel cpu guys who were going to buy AMD. Way more Intel users than AMD which means massive loss of AMD sales versus Increase in Nvidia sales. Not good business.

Me thinks the op needs to start taking less happy pills and start thinking logically :)
 
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