BlackBerry maker RIM struggling

Rouxenator said:
Soon BB will face even more pressure when this happens : http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_apps_for_symbian_get_announced_we_rub_our_eyes-news-3109.php
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Not really. Anybody still using a Symbian phone, is not using it to access email, the web or apps. Even moreso, they will not be the ones excited by the release of MS Products for their outdated phones.

The majority of people still using Nokia, use it because of it's simplicity, durability and reliability. Like my Mum, Dad, domestic worker and gardener. They don't care for the apps, OS and deeper user experience. The people who do care for these things, have moved onto iPhone, Android, Blackberry and other platforms.

In fact, Microsoft's announcement to provide MS apps for Symbian is very bizarre. I don't see the business case for it.
 
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msm said:
Was a really good brand. Unfortunately for them things have moved on ....
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Agreed. I enjoyed the year or so with my BB, but technology moves forward - and sadly the top management at RIM became stuck in the past, failing to recognise what consumers want/need and rather focused on their previous successes. They really screwed up all the potential they had - now it's a game of constant catch-up and trying to protect your existing user base. Sad really, but probably just a few big personalities in management managed to critically wound RIM.

At least Canada beat Tonga in the World Cup... :-)
 
Yes, well that seems to be the generalization that people make about Nokia (and Symbian). If you actually spent time to see the progress being made on Symbian then you might think different. Open source Symbian^3 and its updates Anna, and now Belle are very good and real alternatives to the likes of Android and iOS (both now closed source).

Also keep in mind that Nokia is a mainly hardware maker and you Mum, Dad, domestic worker and gardener are all most likely using Series40 phones. The smartphone OSes Nokia uses are from Microsoft, Accenture and Redhat - so the company will never die.
 
ToxicWazte said:
I'm a BB-hater, but I think you guys are missing one important point - the business market. BIS and BES are huge in the business market, and most companies have cellphone policies that force people to use Blackberries. All communication going through the Blackberry APN is encrypted and highly secure, and this is very important to corporates.

Also, unlmited on-device browsing and unlimited access to PUSH email, at a fixed monthly cost, is a big selling point.

Corporates don't care too much about screen resolution, camera quality, how many apps the platform supports, etc. What they do care about is having fixed costs, and security, and obviously all the basics, which BB already covers.
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That's exactly the point - it's only popular in SA because of BIS. As a device, it does nothing that the others can't do. As data prices continue on a downwards trend, things will start changing very quickly.
 
ToxicWazte said:
I'm a BB-hater, but I think you guys are missing one important point - the business market. BIS and BES are huge in the business market, and most companies have cellphone policies that force people to use Blackberries. All communication going through the Blackberry APN is encrypted and highly secure, and this is very important to corporates.

Also, unlmited on-device browsing and unlimited access to PUSH email, at a fixed monthly cost, is a big selling point.

Corporates don't care too much about screen resolution, camera quality, how many apps the platform supports, etc. What they do care about is having fixed costs, and security, and obviously all the basics, which BB already covers.
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Actually, that is changing. A few countries still prefer that but quite a lot have moved on.
 
diabolus said:
Whoa there, let's not count our chickens before they are hatched. Windows 8 has not "re-invented" anything until it is actually available and in the market and selling. Ballmer just yesterday admitted Windows Phones are not selling as they have hoped, so again i would actually wait for Win8 to actually hit the market before making such statements.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/
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I agree it is early days, but they are doing a lot of thing right with Win8 and will steal some market share away from iOS and Android. BB would not be competitive anymore.
 
The single and ONLY reason I have a BB is for BIS. If Vodacrap and the likes didn't charge R2 per fkn MB then I would not even have considered a BB. The phone is cheap trash sold at a premium rate. They all break for absolutely no reason. My BB's ear speaker is fkt and sometimes the crappy click touchscreen randomly refuses to click correctly, my buddy's BB's screen just randomly one day decided to be the colour white and nothing else.
 
This is the perfect time for a takeover and RIM will struggle to maintain shareholder support if one is on the cards. The question is, who is in the best position to take their business back to the top or leverage their existing business USPs?

My guess is Nokia, or even Microsoft...
 
If I think about the people who I know who have BBs, they see the tablet as a mini PC and not big phone, meaning that they are not going to be software loyal. This is where android is going to take advantage, people will see GOOGLE and say oh, ok, they are good on my pc, their tablet should be excellent.

What I want see is how RIM pulls themselves out of this, I'm very sure BBM is going to go cross platform. RIM's hardware leaves not much to talk about and oh wait, in this day and age I can't not ask, how does their patent portfolio look?? Maybe Samsung didn't buy HP's leftovers because they're saving it for some Blackberry pie...
 
vzta22 said:
Apple is the lucky one because of its fan boys who have the financial resources and are early adopters of technology.
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I dont believe its the "fanboy" thing anymore if you are selling new units monthly. Roughly 7 million iPad 1s and 9 million iPad 2's.
All fanboys..... Definately Not!. New Customers and iPads did come in cheaper depending on the range than the Samsungs and Playbook so its not because the customers have the financial resources. They do have a top 5 brand worldwide, the ability to sell worldwide, market worldwide. Their products have a reliable name and are well trusted through many years of building trust with the market.
If the playbook was twice as nice and the iPad and the same price, it would make a negligable difference to the market in my opinion.
And they dropped flash! ;)
 
Lots of BB haters here. So if you don't like touch phones where do you go??? HTC Cha Cha is fine if u are a girl
 
wonder if anybody here have ever used the new bb bold series.... bb is slow... uhm no... bb haters. shame go and pay your big bills. ill stick to my R59 a month and spend the rest as i please
 
Schola said:
wonder if anybody here have ever used the new bb bold series.... bb is slow... uhm no... bb haters. shame go and pay your big bills. ill stick to my R59 a month and spend the rest as i please
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I don't come across many people who are proud to be cheap. Congrats, you're a rare specimen!
 
Schola said:
wonder if anybody here have ever used the new bb bold series.... bb is slow... uhm no... bb haters. shame go and pay your big bills. ill stick to my R59 a month and spend the rest as i please
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I pay nothing for data on my phone, got mweb uncapped on wifi.
 
joeymojo said:
Lots of BB haters here. So if you don't like touch phones where do you go??? HTC Cha Cha is fine if u are a girl
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Thats my issue.... for years I have seen crap Samsungs and HTC's that don't last a year. What has changed to make them super reliable in the last year ?

I could get an iPhone but I really don't want to... and I don't rate their hardware either.

My BB is almost 2 years old, the ball broke the other day... took it to VC and they swapped out the entire unit ! new cover and everything !

Restored my faith in a brand that has been making the best smart phones since before there was smartphones.
 
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