Born and bred from the land.
Does a modern Jew have a rightful claim over the land as an ethnic Jew has?
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Born and bred from the land.
Does a modern Jew have a rightful claim over the land as an ethnic Jew has?
What does that mean?
you need to go and refresh you understanding of ethnic - using the wrong term mate
what you probably meant to ask is where an ethnic Jew by virtue of ethnicity has the same rightful claim to land in Palestine as a Jew native to the region;
what you should also be asking is whether a non-native of Palestine who is an ethnic Jew has more rightful claim to a home in Palestine than a Palestinian native who happens to be Arabic and Muslim;
what you can also ask is whether an Arabic Muslim who was expelled through conflict from their home in Palestine has a right of return and whether their children should be deemed to have the same rights of nativity;
All of these questions though are not well answered when a person is bigoted and/or a moron - unfortunately the propensity of many of these threads is for those traits to arise
All il say is we are legion and expect us
We calling for a peaceful protest, they calling on violence and we are in the wrong.
We protesting that dead woman and children shall not go unnoticed and they say we are in the wrong.
Humanity has strayed far from the path, if not off the cliff already.
MickeyD
RIP
:wtf: Do you know the real meaning of this?
As ibsaid before. WW might be unfairly picked on. The point is not to cripple ww or israel economy but to raise awareness
that they have joined the French army and are going on a Crusade into the "Holy Land" to claim it for Christendom from the Turks?
Indeed I do. You do know that there is a south african chapter
MickeyD
RIP
Mark 5:8-10
…For He had been saying to him, "Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!"
And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
And he began to implore Him earnestly not to send them out of the country.…
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
I think he might be referring to the hacktivism movie 'we are legion'
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
And in video : m.youtube.com/watch?v=PuK1kyCzhQI
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Does this company employ Palestinians? Good on your company for costing them their jobs.
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
Well the same could have been said about sanctions against the apartheid government of South Africa.
In fact I think that was one of Maggie's prime excuses for the delay applying sanctions.....because it would be bad for the black people of South Africa.
Yet when the sanctions were applied, millions of people shortly got some level of freedom. Before that, they were consigned to living in ghettos
And the argument largely held on many fronts - the thing about divestment and sanctions is that they must be done in a principled, strategic and direct manner
SA had sanctions on it in various forms since the 60s and it didn't accomplish a thing other than providing internal "legitimacy" to a fascist government, there are troves of sanctions and condemnations of Israeli as a State from the most hypocritical of nations and all it does is feed Likud and the *******s. By all means implement strategic strikes at Likud funding and the Israeli military machine etc ... but for that you need sanctions in effect in the US more than anywhere else - go and freeze some moron's bank account under the Alien Torts Act in the US and you'll have my full support
Taking on Sodastream because they happen to be an Israeli company on the other hand is just fuelling the conflict.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Valid point. But I'm still not convinced by the equivalence of Israel to Apartheid SA.
Also, those sanctions were on a big picture level, so against companies like GM. Not some random small company that isn't necessarily abusing its workers.
One previous poster shared his story about when he was working somewhere in Israel on a farm and the majority of employees were Palestinians. Should this farmer (and then as a result his workers) bear the brunt of this boycott?
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
I largely agree with you Paul, yet broadbased sanctions on products manufactured on occupied territories is not going to happen in my lifetime, nor my kids for reasons we are all aware of.
You also know the sanctions on SA in the 60s were not comprehensive and a sham of note.
Yet in business you can chose who to do business with from a moral perspective, and as long as the company is aware of your reasoning and are having a financial hit to their business, it is more likely to make them change than to trying to discuss morality
You also know the sanctions on SA in the 60s were not comprehensive and a sham of note.
Yet in business you can chose who to do business with from a moral perspective, and as long as the company is aware of your reasoning and are having a financial hit to their business, it is more likely to make them change than to trying to discuss morality
Fully agreed and moreover I am am very much in favour Freedom of Expression - even if disruptive. I am however a humanist (or hjumanist
)This for me is really the issue. If you as a consumer are of the view that Woolworths entanglement in the sourcing of certain goods or services should be discontinued for reasons of principle I fully support your right to do so - moreover if you hold certain views it becomes incumbent upon you as a person of conscience to take some manner of action - and you may write to Woolworths or boycott their stores or do something as a matter of conscience. But you must act out of conscience and in good faith, trying to hijack* or hold randsom Woolworths to succumb to your demands as to how they do business is far from acting in good faith.
A letter addressed as follows:
would in my view not only be more gentlemanly (regardless of gender) but also more likely to be effective - especially if it is an open letter or one circulated. The MD: Food receiving 100 such letters has a duty to report to the non-executive directors etc ...
What is more is that you can write to complain without boycotting the stores and threatening South African jobs. You can also request assurances as to how the produce is secured - what are the working conditions, is the company entangled in the IDF or is it pacifist Israeli business interests that will be hurt - people who provide medical support to Gaza.
And yes in medium sized contracts getting management to take a principle stand hits hard, but again I feel you have an ethical duty to make your position known vocally without violently - such as a principled letter.
The problem is that this particular divestment group - like sections of the ANC in the 80s - are not interested in bringing about positive change, they wish to be in charge; they are unfortunately quite filled with fascists who have found a cause rather than gentlemen of principle finding them self saying "here I stand, I cannot do otherwise"***.
* I am aware of the possible invocation of stereotypes here but have ultimately concluded that the term is apposite here
** I haven't bothered to research the exact hallabaloo
*** I am fully aware of the irony of quoting Martin Luther in this matter - both with his anti-Semitism and his peculiar approach towards Islam and liberal secularism
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
Israel and Apartheid SA are very different in too many ways to make that equivalence. That was merely a more recent example than others, and one in witch a world leader used a very lame excuse to put business/money before morals. A similar excuse was used to oppose the slave trade abolition movement as another example.
As for that Palestinian working in a factory on land that is technically theirs. If you ask them to chose between land and their jobs, what do you think they will chose.
Please note, we are still dealing with Israeli companies, just not those that are operating from occupied land