BREAKING | Former Transnet CEO Siyabonga Gama arrested

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I think the reason they are not arrested en masse is that the NPA wants to see what it can get out of the first guys like they did with VBS, some will cut deals when it becomes clear that there is no wiggle room.
If they want to depend on deals then it means their case is weak. You arrest the lot and see if any capitulate but you must still have a fundamentally strong case. Plea deals must be for jail time and info on where the loot is stashed.
 

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If they want to depend on deals then it means their case is weak. You arrest the lot and see if any capitulate but you must still have a fundamentally strong case. Plea deals must be for jail time and info on where the loot is stashed.
In this day & age of sophisticated frauds, can you explain how NPA's case would be strong? Do you reckon guptas did an EFT with description like 'bribe for eskom' or 'bribe for that thing' etc? Or sent a signed document of bribery agreement by courier to detail the plans which was intercepted by NPA?

Or can court accept evidence like 'gama had a lunch at gupta's residence' and hey, guptas got awarded contract 3 days later ? Or something to this effect?
 

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If they want to depend on deals then it means their case is weak. You arrest the lot and see if any capitulate but you must still have a fundamentally strong case. Plea deals must be for jail time and info on where the loot is stashed.
They can never be over confident on the strength of the case so it will not hurt to explore the possibility of turning the lowlifes against each other to strengthen their case.
 

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In this day & age of sophisticated frauds, can you explain how NPA's case would be strong? Do you reckon guptas did an EFT with description like 'bribe for eskom' or 'bribe for that thing' etc? Or sent a signed document of bribery agreement by courier to detail the plans which was intercepted by NPA?

Or can court accept evidence like 'gama had a lunch at gupta's residence' and hey, guptas got awarded contract 3 days later ? Or something to this effect?
You're oversimplifying, I am aware of the fact that the length of time lapsed plus the capture of law enforcement in the past gave the scum time and opportunity to hide their misdeeds. But we have seen what reliance on state witnesses can do to a case. Remember Shrien on his wife's murder. Magashule and the PA who had placed him in that corruption case? Witnesses recant when threatened or paid.

And the NPA can't spend all these years and money on investigation on the hope that they can win if one of the scum turn on their buddies. That would be unacceptable. I am given these cases are expensive.
 

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You're oversimplifying, I am aware of the fact that the length of time lapsed plus the capture of law enforcement in the past gave the scum time and opportunity to hide their misdeeds. But we have seen what reliance on state witnesses can do to a case. Remember Shrien on his wife's murder. Magashule and the PA who had placed him in that corruption case? Witnesses recant when threatened or paid.

And the NPA can't spend all these years and money on investigation on the hope that they can win if one of the scum turn on their buddies. That would be unacceptable. I am given these cases are expensive.
Yes, I am oversimplifying and I really hope NPA has some kind of evidence. Guptas would have used cash and I doubt if they communicated much over mails etc.
 

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Are they getting a cup of frisco and a rusk, or will they do jail time?
Don't be silly, this is South Africa's thieving nouveau riche - bereft of any class or breeding.

They simply reach for the most expensive item on the shelf, in a putrid attempt to convince others they have discerning taste.

These are the same people who spend their lives on Facebook taking photos of themselves with gaudy and expensive items.

Dictator Mugabe's sons were the poster boys, filming each other pouring expensive champagne over the Rolex watches on their arms.
The very epitome of crass behaviour, but forgive them, they know no wiser.

Now, don't think I dislike them - no, quite the opposite.
These morons are like fat bloated cows in the pasture, begging to be milked - and there is much milking to be done.
 
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In this day & age of sophisticated frauds, can you explain how NPA's case would be strong? Do you reckon guptas did an EFT with description like 'bribe for eskom' or 'bribe for that thing' etc? Or sent a signed document of bribery agreement by courier to detail the plans which was intercepted by NPA?

Or can court accept evidence like 'gama had a lunch at gupta's residence' and hey, guptas got awarded contract 3 days later ? Or something to this effect?
Regiments / Trillion capital, very quickly paid back R700m to the transnet pension fund.
There was no need to even enter a courtroom.
The jig is up for these thrives, they know it, and that is why they have been turning on each other
 

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Everything Molefe touches, turns to schit
you sure about this? I think he was decently successful at PIC & transnet and even at eskom for a bit although at eskom it was probably due to lack of power demand that he managed load shedding.
 

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Regiments / Trillion capital, very quickly paid back R700m to the transnet pension fund.
There was no need to even enter a courtroom.
The jig is up for these thrives, they know it, and that is why they have been turning on each other
I hope it is so. In case of such transfer of funds, I think they have pretty much mastered the game. Owners of the company that benefits is never ever owned by actual politician/minister but some cousin/friend/distant relative or some trusted lackey of theirs. Surely, this must make it exceedingly difficult to tie them to the crime?
 

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you sure about this? I think he was decently successful at PIC & transnet and even at eskom for a bit although at eskom it was probably due to lack of power demand that he managed load shedding.
He did well before he met the Guptas. He seems to be a competent leader, but once he worked for the Guptas then he worked against the good of the orgs he led. I don't think he did anything good at Eskom, he contributed to the current mess as during his tenure and Koko's they burnt diesel and didn't do maintenance to keep up with demand. His job was to weaken controls and he took Gupta orders throughout his appointments except maybe the PIC.
 

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you sure about this? I think he was decently successful at PIC & transnet and even at eskom for a bit although at eskom it was probably due to lack of power demand that he managed load shedding.
People on Mybb often struggle to differentiate between corrupt and incompetent people, I've had that discussion many times on here.
 

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He did well before he met the Guptas. He seems to be a competent leader, but once he worked for the Guptas then he worked against the good of the orgs he led. I don't think he did anything good at Eskom, he contributed to the current mess as during his tenure and Koko's they burnt diesel and didn't do maintenance to keep up with demand. His job was to weaken controls and he took Gupta orders throughout his appointments except maybe the PIC.
yeah, he was somewhat like hansie cronje before brown guys got to him. Pity how the western education never helps once you meet these asians.
 

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you sure about this? I think he was decently successful at PIC & transnet and even at eskom for a bit although at eskom it was probably due to lack of power demand that he managed load shedding.
Make up your own mind
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People on Mybb often struggle to differentiate between corrupt and incompetent people, I've had that discussion many times on here.
The corrupt usually turn out to be incompetent - hence the vacillation back and forth between competence and corruption
 

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The corrupt usually turn out to be incompetent - hence the vacillation back and forth between competence and corruption
Not really, corruption usually entails doing the wrong thing deliberately despite you knowing better.

Matshela Koko for an example is a very competent person and a qualified engineer who can run rings around De Ruyter and many other former Eskom CEOs when it comes to institutional and operational knowledge of Eskom, him overseeing the corruption that brought Eskom to where it is today is not due to him being incompetent.
 
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